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re: Can we officially label Kansas hoops as underachievers.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 4:55 pm to Hurricane Mike
Posted on 3/30/13 at 4:55 pm to Hurricane Mike
That's bc they do but they are usually lower than 1 or 2 seeds and shite so they overachieve
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Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:03 pm to noonan
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The top two seeds in each region start the tournament against roughly a 60th ranked team then a 30th ranked team. So those first two rounds aren't exactly running the gauntlet. After that, you have 16 teams fighting for the championship.
This is why I think the NCAA tournament is a poor way to determine a champ. Teams like Georgetown should never have to play teams like FGCU in the tournament to determine the national champ.
While Baloo is correct in that the tourney produces a legit champ pretty often, it inherently creates advantages and disadvantages for teams because of the format. If a bracket goes chalk, the road to the final four is much tougher than what Florida has had to face this year, for example. A tourney that took 16-24 teams and played best 2 of 3 each round would be much more fair, IMO.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:32 pm to medtiger
Either Georgetown was overrated, or they had no business losing. The fact that they lost to fgcu means they were undeserving of the national title. Pretty clear cut.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:38 pm to medtiger
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it inherently creates advantages and disadvantages for teams because of the format. If a bracket goes chalk, the road to the final four is much tougher than what Florida has had to face this year, for example
So. If Oklahoma St./ISU goes chalk in 2011 the same happens for LSU. frick
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:42 pm to noonan
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Either Georgetown was overrated, or they had no business losing. The fact that they lost to fgcu means they were undeserving of the national title. Pretty clear cut.
That's the easy response...they lost so they weren't deserving. If you allowed bad teams to play in the playoffs of every sport, you'd get upsets like that. The NCAA tourney is the only post season event that allows bad teams in and is single elimination. The NBA and NHL allow bad teams in, but they make you win a series of games to advance. MLB, NFL, and college football don't allow the bad teams into the post season. So, that's why I say the NCAA tourney is a worse way to determine a champ than all of them. It's incredibly entertaining though, so that's fine if that's what you want. No one is saying you have to crown the best team champ. It's certainly anyone's right to prefer entertainment value over quality of champ.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:42 pm to saintsfan22
This thread sucks. Kansas did a hell of a job in last year's run. People expect a Final Four every year I guess. They've had some rough losses (Bucknell, Bradley), but for the most part fulfill expectations. If Elijah Johnson hits the one and one, we aren't talking about this, and it's not like Michigan sucks.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:44 pm to saintsfan22
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If Oklahoma St./ISU goes chalk in 2011 the same happens for LSU. frick
Not really sure what you're saying here. And you sure as he'll can't compare college football to college basketball.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:47 pm to TexasTiger08
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If some people werent so fricking stupid, we aren't talking about this
Posted on 3/30/13 at 5:54 pm to medtiger
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That's the easy response
Its the easy response, because it's true.
Either way you look at it, it's a tournament set up to get the top seeds to the finals. It's up to those teams to beat the #64 team.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:43 pm to medtiger
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Not really sure what you're saying here. And you sure as he'll can't compare college football to college basketball.
Upsets have implications in determining the champions in every sport.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:43 pm to noonan
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it's a tournament set up to get the top seeds to the finals.
As opposed to every other tournament in sports?
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:47 pm to medtiger
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The NCAA tourney is the only post season event that allows bad teams in and is single elimination. The NBA and NHL allow bad teams in, but they make you win a series of games to advance. MLB, NFL, and college football don't allow the bad teams into the post season.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:48 pm to medtiger
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it's a tournament set up to get the top seeds to the finals.
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As opposed to every other tournament in sports?
exactly
This post was edited on 3/30/13 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:54 pm to saintsfan22
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Upsets have implications in determining the champions in every sport.
Of course they do. But I've outlined the reasons why the upsets that occur in the NCAA tourney make it the worst way to determine a champ in major sports above. If you like the entertainment value this tourney provides, that's fine. I don't even know if I'd want the tourney to change. I like the drama as much as everyone else. But I also realize there's a better way to determine the best team.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:55 pm to medtiger
Can we officially label this thread as a FAIL?
Posted on 3/30/13 at 6:56 pm to REG861
Which tournament is set up to make it more difficult for the top seed to get to the finals than a lower seed?
And 2010 Seattle was an anomaly.
And 2010 Seattle was an anomaly.
Posted on 3/30/13 at 7:01 pm to medtiger
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And 2010 Seattle was an anomaly.
Like 15's over 2's
Posted on 3/30/13 at 7:04 pm to medtiger
My biggest issue with the NCAA tournament is the way that they determine the NCAA tournament field. Automatic bids should always be given to the regular season conference champions not the tournament champions. It makes no sense to give a berth to a team that plays well for one week over a team that played well for 3+ months only to lose a NCAA tournament berth by having one bad game in their conference tournament. If it was up to me, I would only give the conference tournament champions an automatic bid to the NIT if they fail to qualify for an at-large bid in the NCAA tournament. It's just ridiculous to give a 14-17 team an automatic berth in the NCAA tournament for having one good week. A NIT berth is a sufficient enough reward for them.
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