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re: CA Senate unanimously passes bill allowing players to receive benefits for their likeness
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:13 pm to RebelTheBear
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:13 pm to RebelTheBear
usc and stanford have already both said any player that uses their likeness to profit won't be eligible at the school.
both private schools so i assume they can do whatever they want. and probably the two best football programs in california.
both private schools so i assume they can do whatever they want. and probably the two best football programs in california.
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:34 pm to pngtiger
quote:If the schools are paying players then it means that you can probably say goodbye to a lot of non-revenue sports at most schools when the football and basketball profits that fund those sports will have to be used to pay football and basketball players. And it would also create an interesting Title IX situation since the women’s basketball teams are going to claim they should be paid equally to the men’s players.
There are only about 10 colleges/universities that are in the black with their athletic budget. For those schools, they afford to pay players, somewhat. For everyone else, where does the money come from? For public universities, does it mean the state now has to pay those players, and at the expensive of what? For private universities, what gets cut to cover the cost?
Although I think the California bill didn’t aim to get schools to pay players directly, but to allow them to get endorsement deals or otherwise profit from their likeness without losing their NCAA eligibility
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:38 pm to pngtiger
quote:
There are only about 10 colleges/universities that are in the black with their athletic budget. For those schools, they afford to pay players, somewhat. For everyone else, where does the money come from? For public universities, does it mean the state now has to pay those players, and at the expensive of what? For private universities, what gets cut to cover the cost?
yep... if schools are ordered to pay athletes... the amount of opportunities for college athletics is going to decrease dramatically
there are thousands of college athletics departments across numerous divisions and affiliations that would probably shut down
and on an even bigger scale... if athletics shut down... some whole schools could even close
Posted on 9/12/19 at 2:16 am to rt3
quote:
and on an even bigger scale... if athletics shut down... some whole schools could even close
Which ones?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 3:38 am to rt3
quote:They've been slaving over that "universal solution" for more than 15 years.
we're working on a universal solution to this problem right now
NCAA has yearly revenues of 1 Billion+ dollars. Their MAIN concern is preserving their bogus "non-profit" exemption with the IRS (which they would lose if players under their control were paid endorsement royalties)
Posted on 9/12/19 at 4:08 am to RebelTheBear
Of course California did.
Expect Oregon,Washington, and New York to also look into passing this.
Expect Oregon,Washington, and New York to also look into passing this.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 4:13 am to RebelTheBear
Torn on this. On the one hand, there have been tons of child actors/musicians to make tons of money on their talent. On the other hand, if you hate 4 of the same 5-6 teams being in the playoffs you're going to be miserable when they're allowed to flat out buy players in the open.
For the people saying players aren't paid, do some research. They are indeed paid above and beyond a scholarship and room/board. It's well documented that players are legally paid already.
For the people saying players aren't paid, do some research. They are indeed paid above and beyond a scholarship and room/board. It's well documented that players are legally paid already.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 5:46 am to JJ27
Bad idea. Just sit back and think about how much you like college football. From tailgating, to the sounds, the fall, just the amazing sport itself. Are we really ready to mess with the very foundation of college football and openly allow college athletes to be paid? I am not. These players are already given so much that's NEVER discussed. They are ready made stars by the time they head to the NFL. The free education, room & board, food and stipen model is the best way. Allowing players to be openly paid creates a huge wormhole that i don't believe anybody wants to really go down. Say whatever you want, i like college football the way it is.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 5:47 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 6:37 am to RebelTheBear
They may as well frick up the very last thing I love about this country.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 6:58 am to RebelTheBear
this will further help the rich schools get richer. And the playing field will be less level. The major P5 schools will have all kind of companies etc lined up to represent a player and said player will have to then hire an agent.
This has so many ways to become worse then the BB situation with the shoe companies and the AAU crap.
AS a Bama fan this will further make Bama a big dog vs the VU's and MSU and OM's of the SEC
This has so many ways to become worse then the BB situation with the shoe companies and the AAU crap.
AS a Bama fan this will further make Bama a big dog vs the VU's and MSU and OM's of the SEC
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:13 am to SeeeeK
quote:
New York
They don’t have any college sports to care
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 7:14 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:18 am to rt3
quote:Eh, not really since there’s maybe 10-12 athletic departments in the country that actually turn a profit once you factor in expenses for all the sports that don’t generate revenue from ticket sales and media rights. But the money from football and men’s basketball is what subsidizes everything else in the athletic department and makes it possible for those other sports programs to exist at many schools
and on an even bigger scale... if athletics shut down... some whole schools could even close
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:22 am to mrbroker
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This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 7:21 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 7:24 am to msutiger
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If players start getting paid, Chicken needs to remove the rule that you can no longer criticize college athletes
Is that enforced?
Because the SC board has been doing that for years
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:09 am to RebelTheBear
Its not p2p.
P2p means you get money from school.
This bill lets the girls swim team sell calendars.
Or star qb can make an ad saying that hot car usc booster gave him is hot as it looks on tv.
P2p means you get money from school.
This bill lets the girls swim team sell calendars.
Or star qb can make an ad saying that hot car usc booster gave him is hot as it looks on tv.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:29 am to slackster
quote:
You seem to feel pretty strongly against this. Why?
...because I'm not a bleeding heart whose feelings are hurt. My position is based on logic and what I deem is most important.
As a fan, my biggest concern is for the game, and the fans position.
Do we really want (more than it is now) success decided by which program has, or is willing to spend the most money? Do we want fans to be forced to invest even more money than they do into the product?
We are pretending here. These players aren't valuable (relatively) for their likeness. They are valuable to the schools who want them to play for them. Those that pay the players for their likeness won't really be doing it for the purpose of using it for marketing. It's a back door to buying players. No matter what side of this you are on, we should be able to agree on this.
I'll ask you the same question. Why are you so strongly in support for it?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:34 am to moneyg
quote:
I'll ask you the same question. Why are you so strongly in support for it?
Out of principle. If I was in their shoes, I'd like to be compensated as much as possible for my talents.
quote:
We are pretending here. These players aren't valuable (relatively) for their likeness. They are valuable to the schools who want them to play for them. Those that pay the players for their likeness won't really be doing it for the purpose of using it for marketing. It's a back door to buying players.
Buying players isn't useful unless they're good. If they're good, they'll have plenty of opportunity for marketing.
You don't think a #9 Burrow jersey will sell like hotcakes at LSU? You're simply incorrect if you don't believe there is value in the likeness of some players.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:57 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:
Eh, not really since there’s maybe 10-12 athletic departments in the country that actually turn a profit once you factor in expenses for all the sports that don’t generate revenue from ticket sales and media rights. But the money from football and men’s basketball is what subsidizes everything else in the athletic department and makes it possible for those other sports programs to exist at many schools
again... you're thinking big schools that make millions
I'm looking at small schools... DII, DIII, NAIA and below... probably schools you've never heard of and don't care about yet others pour their hearts and souls into... if they're forced to pay students they will not be afloat very long and will have to shut down the athletics programs... and some of those schools... the enrollment is a high percentage student-athletes... and if the student-athletes go the enrollment tanks
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:08 am to rt3
The NCAA can’t possibly allow one state to dictate how they operate. They will have to exclude all California Schools. Sure, there will be court battles, but I suspect if this thing made it to the US Supreme Court, the NCAA would be allowed to administer their program they way they want to.
While California can pass this legislation, the domino effect would be disastrous. Just a few items that would be affected are as follows:
1. The End of the Pac 12 conference
2. Non conference out of state games would be cancelled. No more Notre Dame Stanford/USC games.
3.The College Football Payoffs will drop the Pac 12 as part of the Power 5
4. All TV contracts would be cancelled
5. Lawsuits from the Pac 12, individual Pac 12 schools non-conference schools that have future scheduled games.
6. Probably every coach at major California programs will quit and sue to have their contracts paid off
7. A deep hatred and boycott of California
These are just a few off the top of my head. I’m sure you guys came add to this messy list.
I know the NCAA has a lot of issues, and there are ways to put some money in players pockets in a way where everyone is happy or at least can live with. Corruption has always been a challenge and this will make regulation almost impossible.
If people around the nation want to preserve the college game California has to be put down.
While California can pass this legislation, the domino effect would be disastrous. Just a few items that would be affected are as follows:
1. The End of the Pac 12 conference
2. Non conference out of state games would be cancelled. No more Notre Dame Stanford/USC games.
3.The College Football Payoffs will drop the Pac 12 as part of the Power 5
4. All TV contracts would be cancelled
5. Lawsuits from the Pac 12, individual Pac 12 schools non-conference schools that have future scheduled games.
6. Probably every coach at major California programs will quit and sue to have their contracts paid off
7. A deep hatred and boycott of California
These are just a few off the top of my head. I’m sure you guys came add to this messy list.
I know the NCAA has a lot of issues, and there are ways to put some money in players pockets in a way where everyone is happy or at least can live with. Corruption has always been a challenge and this will make regulation almost impossible.
If people around the nation want to preserve the college game California has to be put down.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:29 am to CU_Tigers4life
People in this thread are really dumb. This isn't paying players.
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