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re: Brian Flores is suing NFL, NY Giants
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:28 am to Alt26
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:28 am to Alt26
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Flores could have been ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in his approach as to how the organization should operate...but he doesn't own the team. So if the owner of the team has a different viewpoint you either have to accept it or move on.
Unless he's telling the truth about the owner wanting him to tank games. Ross didn't get to be as rich as he is by being an idiot, so I'm sure he didn't email or text Flores to lose on purpose. Here's a scenario that could have played out... owner/mgt tell Flores to shite the bed so they can get better draft picks. Flores tells them to frick off and they fire him bc "key dynamics of our football team weren't functioning at a level I want it to be..."
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The NFL is a completely results based game.
"completely" is a stretch and it even contradicts some of your post. If that was the case, Flores would still be in Miami. He wasn't fired for results. He was fired b/c he wouldn't do what they asked.
Look, I'm not seeing the race angle that Flores' lawsuit is alledging. But I haven't lived in his shoes either. All of these things can be true:
- Miami is run by some shady assholes.
- The giants had their guy and were even spreading the word long before they gave all of their candidates an interview. (not uncommon. I've personally seen it many times)
- Denver also wasted his time by giving him a token interview.
I'm not saying Flores did the right thing for his career with the lawsuit, b/c it's probably the opposite. But I'm a pretty bullheaded bastard sometimes. So if I had people wasting my time on bullshite interviews and I got fired for refusing to break rules (allegedly), I'd be pretty pissed and ready to burn it all down too.
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:30 am to Jizzy08
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Had the dolphins lost, they would’ve been in great position to net the #1 overall pick because they would’ve had the loss to the bengals and giants. Instead, they screw themselves further by ending the season with a W against the Pats in Tom Brady’s last game as a patriot.
Dolphins were so close to having Burrow and I honestly blame Flores.
But don't you see how that is a double-edged sword. If Flores just decided to tank while at Miami, now he's still at risk for getting fired eventually for losing too much. Not only that, he's less likely to get rehired as his coaching resume is shot.
In a way, he was in a lose-lose situation in Miami.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:36 am to notbilly
I’m an Old white man from the south. When I first heard the lawsuit, I was like here we go again another black man mad because he didn’t get a job. After watching his interview I know see he was done an injustice. This sheds a bad light on the NFL they have no way to spin this. All the BLM they shoved down our throat….now 
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:50 am to hsfolk
Only solution is to make the league more reflective of society as a whole. The league should have 4-5 black head coaches and should be about 13 percent black in terms of the players. Whites should make up 71 percent of the league with the rest reserved for Latinos, Asians, etc.
Let's make it make sense.
Let's make it make sense.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:53 am to hsfolk
Teams have a list of potential targets and if one of their top target says "yes" then the process is over. The rest of the interviews are a formality. Like if Jim Harbaugh takes the Vikings job, they'll go through the rest of the interviews as an obligation. Flores is REALLY reaching with this one unless he has more concrete evidence. The text from Belichick proves nothing except that the Giants found their guy before interviews were over. It happens.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:01 am to Alt26
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Every year for the last 5 years or so we have to listen to pissing and moaning when Eric Bieniemy doesn't get a HC job.
What is commonly overlooked in the narrative about Eric Bieniemy is his rap sheet. The guy has been arrested 3 times for violence and another time for a DUI. That was conveniently overlooked in Flores' lawyer's lawsuit when referencing racism in the NFL hiring process. Now, one could argue "why would teams even interview him with that past" but at the same time teams could be, and likely are, trying to hear his perspective on the events that took place and get an idea of if he's learned from those mistakes.
NYG has a perfectly justifiable reason for not hiring Flores. They had just hired a new GM who decided it was best to go with the OC of a prolific offense that he's also worked with. Allegations of Ross being a dirtbag are more serious but lack any substantial reason for believing his termination was related to racism. Denver showing up hungover to the interview is the only thing that I could see having merit. They absolutely could've blown off the interview to satisfy the Rooney Rule by showing up hungover -- that could also be commonplace for them. It's not like we'll ever know, coaches aren't going to come out and speak to that and risk their careers.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:04 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:11 am to hsfolk
Either the imbalance of white coaches to black players is at least to a degree becasue of racism, or you belive it is because white coaches are smarter and better suited. That is racist. So either way... 
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:13 am to HeadCoach
Maybe more whites go into coaching in the first place? That could be part of it, right? You leave only two possible options when there are many more.
Playing in the NFL is not a requirement to coaching in the NFL. Trying to equate the two doesn't make much sense to me.
Playing in the NFL is not a requirement to coaching in the NFL. Trying to equate the two doesn't make much sense to me.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:16 am to HeadCoach
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Either the imbalance of white coaches to black players is at least to a degree becasue of racism, or you belive it is because white coaches are smarter and better suited
Or maybe there are simply a lot more white people in the country than black people.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:25 am to HeadCoach
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Either the imbalance of white coaches to black players is at least to a degree becasue of racism, or you belive it is because white coaches are smarter and better suited. That is racist. So either way...
Surely you aren't this stupid
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:28 am to HeadCoach
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Either the imbalance of white coaches to black players is at least to a degree becasue of racism, or you belive it is because white coaches are smarter and better suited. That is racist. So either way...
Derp.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:39 am to BenDover
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What is commonly overlooked in the narrative about Eric Bieniemy is his rap sheet. The guy has been arrested 3 times for violence and another time for a DUI.
DUI was 21 years ago.
Other arrests were 27-33 years ago.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:00 am to SammyTiger
I mean, people get cancelled for shite from 20 years ago all the time. Not saying it's right but it is what it is.
As far as Bienemy, why would he be a good hire? His name gets thrown out but as far as I can tell he seems to be getting credit for a strong offense that Andy Reid is primarily responsible for.
As far as Bienemy, why would he be a good hire? His name gets thrown out but as far as I can tell he seems to be getting credit for a strong offense that Andy Reid is primarily responsible for.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:20 am to Bham Bammer
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As far as Bienemy, why would he be a good hire? His name gets thrown out but as far as I can tell he seems to be getting credit for a strong offense that Andy Reid is primarily responsible for.
That’s not an unreasonable question, but you can ask it about Zach Taylor and Nathaniel Hackett.
The NFL hired everyone who had a cup of coffee with McVey in 2019. You think Matt LaFleur was hired because of his stellar 2018 season with the Titans? (27th in scoring)
If your a 40 something YO white OC and you have a successful year it seems like you get a HC job no matter what the question marks are. Leftwhich and Bienemy have to answer questions about wether is Tom Brady or Andy Reid or Mahomes.
shite Matt Nagy had Bienemy’s job the year before and got a HC job.
I dont Want to scream about racism but this is hard to explain any other way.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:23 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:39 am to SammyTiger
Or maybe owners wised up to hiring someone from a Reid run team? HC's who are actively involved with their offense or defense do more harm than good when it comes to coaching development. Like it's okay to do some things, especially if the team is struggling, but you hired a guy for that...let him work and make a name for himself unless he is completely incompetent.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:40 am to QJenk
quote:These same fans would have then justified Flores' firing based upon his poor record. Miami then brings in the guy they want to coach those high/numerous draft picks that Dolphins acquired during the tank.
But don't you see how that is a double-edged sword. If Flores just decided to tank while at Miami, now he's still at risk for getting fired eventually for losing too much. Not only that, he's less likely to get rehired as his coaching resume is shot.
In a way, he was in a lose-lose situation in Miami.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:45 am to SammyTiger
quote:Because it's difficult to explain, and you know little of their personalities, their statements made during interviews and a myriad of other variables, you suspect it's probably racism.
I dont Want to scream about racism but this is hard to explain any other way
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:47 am to SammyTiger
Bienemy has a reputation as a bad interviewer. I strongly suspect one of the things he’s bad at is he gets asked that question.
“What do you contribute to Reid/Mahomes success and how will you duplicate that here without Reid or Mahomes?”
And Bienemy can’t answer that well. I bet some of these other guys can. Now does that mean they’re better than him? No. But you’ve gotta be able to sell your success in a situation like that.
“What do you contribute to Reid/Mahomes success and how will you duplicate that here without Reid or Mahomes?”
And Bienemy can’t answer that well. I bet some of these other guys can. Now does that mean they’re better than him? No. But you’ve gotta be able to sell your success in a situation like that.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:47 am to notbilly
Correct me if I’m wrong but can’t an owner get rid of a coach for whatever reason they want?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 11:49 am to SammyTiger
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shite Matt Nagy had Bienemy’s job the year before and got a HC job.
And has/had been absolute dog shite. You think maybe the GM’s are being a little more restrained assigning credit to Reid’s OC now that they saw the last one flame out?
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