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Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Bregman is the epitome of what you want I a guys approach at the plate to be....he reminds me so much of a mix of chipper Jones gap power, Cal Jr glove but with an eye that I dunno the game has seen in a long time
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:36 am to ForeverEllisHugh
Baw at work said no MVP for Trout b/c he missed the last 3 weeks of the season.
Breg has higher BA, more runs, hits, and walks. WAR down by .1 to Trout. This on the team with the best record.
Breg has higher BA, more runs, hits, and walks. WAR down by .1 to Trout. This on the team with the best record.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:50 am to Bench McElroy
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That stat makes you wonder about the approaches of today's hitters. Gary Sheffield had more walks than strikeouts for 12 straight years from 1994-2005. Chipper Jones had more walks than strikeouts in 13 out of his 18 seasons. And then there were guys like Albert Pujols and Frank Thomas and Todd Helton who were only striking out 60 or 70 times a year while still maintaining a healthy walk rate. Yeah, it's hard to have more walks than strikeout but it shouldn't be that rare where only one or two players are doing it over the course of an entire season.
Analytics have definitely changed the approach of hitters throughout the league. No ones trying to hit singles anymore. Everyone is trying to slug and not worrying about striking out.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:52 am to lsu xman
How do you vote for a guy as the MLB MVP on a team that finishes 18 games below .500. The Angels without Trout finish 25 games below .500?
The Astros without Bregman would likely be playing TB in the wildcard game at best and not even make post season at worse.
The Astros without Bregman would likely be playing TB in the wildcard game at best and not even make post season at worse.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:04 am to Oddibe
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The Astros without Bregman would likely be playing TB in the wildcard game at best and not even make post season at worse.
No... but they would be the #3 seed in the AL, not the best record in baseball.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:18 am to Lsuhoohoo
Ashame the stodgy MLB voters are not going to reward Bregman
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:30 am to nicholastiger
even as an Astros fan I'd have a hard time voting for Bregman over Trout. Trout is the best player of this generation and it's not particularly close imo. That gives him the nod in my eye. The only reason it's even close and a conversation is because he got hurt at the end of the year and missed the last month.
I also think team records should be completely ignored when voting for awards. If anything it's harder to do when you're the focal point of the team and playing basically meaningless games for 1/4th of the season
I also think team records should be completely ignored when voting for awards. If anything it's harder to do when you're the focal point of the team and playing basically meaningless games for 1/4th of the season
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:42 am to icegator337
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Trout is the best player of this generation and it's not particularly close imo. That gives him the nod in my eye.
It's a season award. Being better overall or the best of the generation doesn't mean that he has the best season every year.
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The only reason it's even close and a conversation is because he got hurt at the end of the year and missed the last month.
Did I miss something or is the season still 162 games? MVP should be an evaluation of the season, and Bregman has had the better year.
To give it to Trout just because you think he's the best of the generation is no different that disqualifying him because his team sucks.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:13 am to LSUBoo
quote:The A's more than likely win the Division if the Astros don't have Bregman.
No... but they would be the #3 seed in the AL, not the best record in baseball.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:14 am to Wayne Campbell
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Did I miss something or is the season still 162 games? MVP should be an evaluation of the season, and Bregman has had the better year.
To give it to Trout just because you think he's the best of the generation is no different that disqualifying him because his team sucks.
I'm not giving it to him because he is the best of the generation, I'm just saying he probably gets the benefit of the doubt because of it considering how close they are.
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MVP should be an evaluation of the season, and Bregman has had the better year.
Trout led in WAR on fangraphs, Bregman led on baseball prospectus. Using those two rankings, I'd say they had pretty even seasons. But it's clear Bregman had the advantage of extra games and being able to compile additional war, which is why I'd lean Trout.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:33 am to Oddibe
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The A's more than likely win the Division if the Astros don't have Bregman.
I don’t think so
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:52 am to icegator337
Trout is the clear cut best player in baseball but to me it is hard to see anyone other than Bregman as the MVP.
He lead the team in games played while playing both 3B and SS. Even took a ball to the face but he missed no significant time. He led in most offensive categories and was no slouch in the field.
Springer, Altuve and Correa all had stints (or multiple) on the DL including all 3 at one time but Bregman keep plugging away.
He is the production and emotional leader of the team which is the epitome of MVP.
He lead the team in games played while playing both 3B and SS. Even took a ball to the face but he missed no significant time. He led in most offensive categories and was no slouch in the field.
Springer, Altuve and Correa all had stints (or multiple) on the DL including all 3 at one time but Bregman keep plugging away.
He is the production and emotional leader of the team which is the epitome of MVP.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:54 am to icegator337
quote:That should make you lean Bregman though
But it's clear Bregman had the advantage of extra games and being able to compile additional war, which is why I'd lean Trout.
Being available to play is a pretty huge part of being MVP
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:01 am to Oddibe
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The A's more than likely win the Division if the Astros don't have Bregman.
Baseball Reference has Bregman worth 8.4 WAR.. so even with that number plugged in the Astros still edge out the A's.
Also pretty sure that would have just meant more ABs for guys like Diaz, Straw, and Tucker, who were all above replacement level themselves.
So, statistically the Astros probably go from winning 107 to right around 100 without Bregman. Still win the AL West but now they are behind the Yankees and Twins for home field.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:07 am to icegator337
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I'm not giving it to him because he is the best of the generation, I'm just saying he probably gets the benefit of the doubt because of it considering how close they are.
I'm sorry, I don't see the distinction between the two. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, giving him the edge, etc. However you phrase it you're saying all else being equal, Trout gets the award because he's the "best of his generation."
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But it's clear Bregman had the advantage of extra games
He had the advantage because stayed healthy. Something Trout has actually struggled to do the last few seasons. There's a saying that goes, "The best ability is availability."
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:27 am to icegator337
Amen to this, Most valuable player, not most surrounded in the line up by an MVP and a rookie of the year contender.
I am a big Astro's fan since I was a kid, but if not for the Crawford box Bregman would have 20 dinger's at most.
He is awesome and love him on our team but Trout is the goat.
I am a big Astro's fan since I was a kid, but if not for the Crawford box Bregman would have 20 dinger's at most.
He is awesome and love him on our team but Trout is the goat.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:30 am to Pfft
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but if not for the Crawford box Bregman would have 20 dinger's at most.
Lmao
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:45 am to Pfft
I'm gonna go ahead and explain this one time against my better judgement.
Trout being on a team that is playing for absolutely nothing at all puts him in a position to get pitched around and pitched to. Pitchers don't really care and have little incentive in more than half his ABs.
If the game is still competitive, Trout might get walked, and he knows it. If it's not competitive, the pitcher doesn't have to be as fine in his approach. Throw it over the plate.
It's not Trout's fault, but when talking about MVP, I'll take the guy that produces when it is needed and it counts for something. Not only was Bregman the offensive MVP on a team with the best record, he stepped up to play for a perennial All Star at SS.
IMO, Bregman is going to get it.
Trout being on a team that is playing for absolutely nothing at all puts him in a position to get pitched around and pitched to. Pitchers don't really care and have little incentive in more than half his ABs.
If the game is still competitive, Trout might get walked, and he knows it. If it's not competitive, the pitcher doesn't have to be as fine in his approach. Throw it over the plate.
It's not Trout's fault, but when talking about MVP, I'll take the guy that produces when it is needed and it counts for something. Not only was Bregman the offensive MVP on a team with the best record, he stepped up to play for a perennial All Star at SS.
IMO, Bregman is going to get it.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:49 am to Pfft
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Trout is Centerfield Ken Giles
FIFY
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