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re: Boise State NOT getting a BCS bowl - Could this scenario play out

Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by Vood
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:04 pm to
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what do you expect them to do in a system designed to keep them from doing anything?


This system is the only thing keeping you in the picture. If it was the way it was before 1998 you guys wouldn't even be in the picture.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:15 pm to
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We might not have a BCS title yet, but we've still got national Junior College and FCS championships!


Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:20 pm to
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this whole tv argument highlights all that is wrong with the bcs. playoffs arent dtermined by tv ratings.

the title game is not decided by potential tv ratings
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:22 pm to
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what do you expect them to do in a system designed to keep them from doing anything?

the BCS system is helping them out handily this year
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47780 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:23 pm to
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the BCS system is helping them out handily this year


the bcs system or the polls?
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:24 pm to
I love how these Boise State fans think they'd have any shot in hell for a BCS bowl if this system wasn't tiltled to hand a non-AQ team one spot.

THE "BCS" Bowls are simply the 4 biggest bowls that without the BCS system would never take Boise State or TCU, and justifiably so. These bowls are there to make THEIR money, not satisfy schools that play a joke of a schedule and are equivalent to a JUCO academically.
This post was edited on 11/21/10 at 2:26 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:25 pm to
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the bcs system or the polls?

one in the same, since the polls are part of the system
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61008 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:25 pm to
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1.5


No such thing as .5 Championships. Miami, Nebraska, Michigan all have "split" titles from the 90's. If everyone says Miami has 4.5 titles and Tom Osborne 2.5, then we can say LSU has 1.5 this decade. Still 1.5 more than Boise will ever have.
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distinction of being the only 2 loss champ

I'm will to bet there is no one, even Boise fans that would not rather be a 2 loss Champ to undefeated non Champs. A championship is for a given season, LSU was the best team in 2007, how many loses we had is immaterial.

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what do you expect them to do in a system designed to keep them from doing anything?


yeah that's it, the man keeping the little guy down. Lets continue to ignore the fact there wouldn't be a Boise at all if not for the Big conferences building up interest in CFB.

The Bowls were designed as exhibitions. Is the big conferences feel that's better for them then why don't the WAC, MWC, CUSA etc just start a playoff on their own. Wonder if that's because they know they make way more money glomming off the big boys than a playoff with Boise and TCU would.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:26 pm to
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I love how these Boise State fans think they'd have any shot in hell for a BCS bowl if this system wasn't tiltled to hand a non-AQ team one spot

oh yeah the rules in place after 2004 help them out tremendously in terms of getting a BCS bowl bid
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47780 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:26 pm to
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one in the same, since the polls are part of the system


oh ok, because last time I checked they are ranked higher in the polls than in the bcs system. and no, they are not one and the same. ask USC.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:28 pm to
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and no, they are not one and the same. ask USC.

irrelevant point. i'm discussing the BCS system and the polls used in that system, not other polls

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because last time I checked they are ranked higher in the polls than in the bcs system.

in terms of the system in place, what else can outside forces do?

make computer polls eliminate SOS?
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:29 pm to
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oh ok, because last time I checked they are ranked higher in the polls than in the bcs system. and no, they are not one and the same. ask USC.


And as stated before. Prior to 2004 with the changes in the BCS requiring the bowls to take a non-AQ team, they wouldn't even been thought of in these bowls. PERIOD.

The only reason they are having a shot into a BCS bowl outside of the NC is because the BCS forces it. The bowls wouldn't take them if they had the option not to.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61008 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:30 pm to
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this whole tv argument highlights all that is wrong with the bcs. playoffs arent dtermined by tv ratings.


Wow, does someone honestly think pro sports have playoffs for a reason other than making more money? Or for that matter than things like the NCA tourney and Conference Champ Games are not designed to make more money?
Posted by BeeEssYou
Member since Nov 2010
45 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:32 pm to
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The Bowls were designed as exhibitions. Is the big conferences feel that's better for them then why don't the WAC, MWC, CUSA etc just start a playoff on their own. Wonder if that's because they know they make way more money glomming off the big boys than a playoff with Boise and TCU would.

Nope, it's because the WAC, MWC, CUSA, etc. are part of the FBS too, and therefore deserve to compete for the same championship as AQ conferences, like it or not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:33 pm to
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and therefore deserve to compete for the same championship as AQ conferences

the system for pitting teams in the title game has nothing to do with BCS schools or non-BCS schools

nothin
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:36 pm to
We are talking about the other BCS bowls not the NC game genius.

The only thing the BCS should be required to do is pit the #1 and #2 teams together.

Bowl Tie-ins and choices of the bowls without influence by stupid rankings should be what determines teams in the other BCS Bowls, but little whiny schools like Boise State act like they've been raped by the big bad boys.

Want a better bowl? Get your conference to have better tie-ins.

Want to be taken more seriously? Have a field that isn't a marketing gimmick.
Posted by BeeEssYou
Member since Nov 2010
45 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:37 pm to
The field is not a frigging marketing gimmick anymore, it's a school tradition. Get that through your head.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:37 pm to
Keep telling yourself that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476463 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:38 pm to
would you be in favor of BSU being required to wear their whites at home?

*ETA: or at least give the other team the option
This post was edited on 11/21/10 at 2:39 pm
Posted by KillerNut9
Pearl Jam
Member since Dec 2007
34971 posts
Posted on 11/21/10 at 2:38 pm to
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The field is not a frigging marketing gimmick anymore, it's a school tradition


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