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re: Biggest NFL Bust: Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf?
Posted on 8/5/12 at 7:53 pm to JabarkusRussell
Posted on 8/5/12 at 7:53 pm to JabarkusRussell
Russell, he was the first overall pick.
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Posted on 8/5/12 at 8:27 pm to JabarkusRussell
Terry Baker was worse.
But out of those two, Russell, since he was the #1 overall pick.
But out of those two, Russell, since he was the #1 overall pick.
This post was edited on 8/5/12 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 6:25 am to JabarkusRussell
Career Stats
Russell - 4083 passing yards, 52.1% comp, 18 TDs, 23 INTs, 65.2 QB rating, 175 rushing yards, 4.4 ypc, 1 TD.
Leaf - 3666 passing yards, 48.4% comp, 14 TDs, 36 INTs, 50.0 QB rating, 127 rushing yards, 2.2 ypc, 0 TDs.
JaMarcus just simply was not set up to succeed in Oakland.
Both of these guys are some of the easiest targets in sports. I didn't follow Leaf's career like i did Russell's, so I am unaware if his surrounding pieces were as dreadful as JaMarcus had. But I never liked the idea of him going to Oakland.
I still contend that if he would have gone to an average organization, even below average with at least some offensive weapons and QB developmental system he would have been a quality NFL starter.
Russell - 4083 passing yards, 52.1% comp, 18 TDs, 23 INTs, 65.2 QB rating, 175 rushing yards, 4.4 ypc, 1 TD.
Leaf - 3666 passing yards, 48.4% comp, 14 TDs, 36 INTs, 50.0 QB rating, 127 rushing yards, 2.2 ypc, 0 TDs.
JaMarcus just simply was not set up to succeed in Oakland.
Both of these guys are some of the easiest targets in sports. I didn't follow Leaf's career like i did Russell's, so I am unaware if his surrounding pieces were as dreadful as JaMarcus had. But I never liked the idea of him going to Oakland.
I still contend that if he would have gone to an average organization, even below average with at least some offensive weapons and QB developmental system he would have been a quality NFL starter.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:55 am to Sophandros
Comparing them by saying JR was worse just cause he went first as opposed to second is just a terrible way of doing it IMO. NFL teams draft on need, and Id imagine if a tackle was drafted before Leaf instead of Manning and they both busted, Leaf would have been considered a bigger bust than the first pick without question.
Obviously, at a certain point you have to consider the pick slot, but the situations override everything in my view. Leaf would have been number 1 if one of the greatest QBs ever wasn't available in hindsight. Also, out of those 3 guys, JR may have been drafted last.
Obviously, at a certain point you have to consider the pick slot, but the situations override everything in my view. Leaf would have been number 1 if one of the greatest QBs ever wasn't available in hindsight. Also, out of those 3 guys, JR may have been drafted last.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 8:59 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:16 am to Paul Allen
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Leaf went 1of 15 for 4 yards and 5 turnovers versus the Cheifs. That is without question the worst performance at eny level of football.
Wow. That is dreadful. Who was he playing against?
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:22 am to Paul Allen
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Leaf went 1of 15 for 4 yards and 5 turnovers versus the Cheifs. That is without question the worst performance at eny level of football
Posted on 8/6/12 at 9:41 am to JabarkusRussell
Leaf. He was a much more polished passer than JR. JR was drafted more for talent and size.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 10:25 am to Topwater Trout
JR sadly.
He was lazy and didn't try. Sure his surrounding pieces weren't great, but that doesn't excuse his work ethic and lack of interest in football after getting paid.
Players go to crappy teams, and when it doesn't work out, other teams recognize that and say "he got a raw deal, but he works hard and tries to get better." Even Leaf received a second chance from another team.
That would be my vote.
He was lazy and didn't try. Sure his surrounding pieces weren't great, but that doesn't excuse his work ethic and lack of interest in football after getting paid.
Players go to crappy teams, and when it doesn't work out, other teams recognize that and say "he got a raw deal, but he works hard and tries to get better." Even Leaf received a second chance from another team.
That would be my vote.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 10:43 am to LSUZombie
I'm gonna say Ryan Leaf.
The Chargers moved up one spot from #3 to #2 to take him in the 1998 draft. They gave up a second round pick in that year's draft. They also gave up their first round pick the following year to acquire Leaf.
Say what you will about JR but at least he didn't throw the classic tantrums like Leaf did.
The Chargers moved up one spot from #3 to #2 to take him in the 1998 draft. They gave up a second round pick in that year's draft. They also gave up their first round pick the following year to acquire Leaf.
Say what you will about JR but at least he didn't throw the classic tantrums like Leaf did.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 10:49 am to LSUZombie
He didn't go to the best organization. I think he would have made it on a team that allowed him to develop for a few years.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 10:52 am to LooseCannon22282
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Say what you will about JR but at least he didn't throw the classic tantrums like Leaf did.
Probably because JR didnt care enough to work up emotion..unless hungry counts as an emotion
Posted on 8/6/12 at 11:01 am to inadaze
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Russell - 4083 passing yards, 52.1% comp, 18 TDs, 23 INTs, 65.2 QB rating, 175 rushing yards, 4.4 ypc, 1 TD. Leaf - 3666 passing yards, 48.4% comp, 14 TDs, 36 INTs, 50.0 QB rating, 127 rushing yards, 2.2 ypc, 0
Almost 8000 yards between them and ONE rushing TD!!!!
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 11:02 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 11:34 am to lsu480
Russell and it's not even close.
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