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re: Big Ten expansion news from local ESPN sports radio

Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by Parliament
Member since Dec 2007
5787 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:10 pm to
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Money



LOL x 199999


they would lose money alone in travel expenses

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Athletically



umm, lol again

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Academically



the only argument, but this is sports, not academics. typical big ten loser argument



Apparently, the Big 10 has more to offer than the Big 12, moneywise. I would like to see a comparison between the two conferences showing population and per capita income. I could see the Big 10 winning in a comparison like that.

As further evidence, look at our bowl tie-ins; they are better than the other conferences.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79948 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:18 pm to
It's about the Big Ten network.

They would gain about 7 mill there.

Ronnie, I'm surprised you don't know much about the Academic sharing that goes on in the Big Ten. There is a reason why the Big Ten has such a good academic track record.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:20 pm to
also I found this for tv ratings this is if the big 10 adds UT A&M and Mizzou
This makes a lot of sense for numerous reasons. First and foremost, the Big 14 becomes THE dominant conference as far as TV sets. According to Nielsen, you would have the following (the number is the US media market ranking according to Nielsen)

2 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas
10 Houston
11 Detroit
15 Minneapolis
18 Cleveland/Akron
21 St. Louis
23 Pittsburgh
25 Indianapolis
32 Kansas City
33 Cincinnati
34 Columbus
37 San Antonio
39 Harrisburg/Lancaster, PA
41 Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo
49 Austin
Posted by Parliament
Member since Dec 2007
5787 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:21 pm to
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...the Academic sharing that goes on in the Big Ten. There is a reason why the Big Ten has such a good academic track record.


And I think Texas is basically "prequalified" for that? Something to do with the Association of American Universities.
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:23 pm to
by the end of 2011, IMO:

- Colorado and Utah to Pac 10

- Arkansas to Big 12

- Georgia Tech to SEC

- ?? to ACC

- Pitt to Big 10

- UCF to Big East
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79948 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:26 pm to
Yeah, in order to be a part of the big ten you have to be in the AAU.

But schools like Rutgers, Missouri, Iowa State.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79948 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:26 pm to
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Pitt to Big 10


This should never happen.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:27 pm to
If Texas goes there is no way Arkansas heads to the big 12. Also if A&M doesn't go to the big 10. I think for the sec it would be them or GT or maybe both to add 7 teams in the west and east
This post was edited on 2/11/10 at 5:32 pm
Posted by Parliament
Member since Dec 2007
5787 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:30 pm to
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Yeah, in order to be a part of the big ten you have to be in the AAU.

But schools like Rutgers, Missouri, Iowa State.


And Notre Dame is not.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
45654 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:31 pm to
Would be fricking awesome if Texas and Notre Dame joined (obviously need a 3rd to get to 14, but that'd be one huge mega fricking conference)

frick it, let's just make a mega football conference

Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
Florida
Texas
USC
LSU
Oklahoma
some other assholes
Posted by Atari
Texas
Member since Dec 2009
3865 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:36 pm to
Seeing as I don't travel with the team to away games, it wouldn't really bother me. I'd leave aggy in a heartbeat, and OU was an OOC game when they were Big8 and Texas was in the SWC.

It is more money, according to some sources it's as much as a $10 million increase from the television deal. Why? Because the Big XII has a joke contract.

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It’s clear why the Big Ten would want Texas. So, why on Earth would Texas want to join the Big Ten? Well, the financial implications are massive. As I stated earlier, the Big Ten receives $242 million per year in TV revenue to split evenly among its 11 members, which comes out to $22 million per year for every single school. In contrast, the Big 12 receives $78 million per year in TV revenue that is split unevenly among its 12 members based on national TV appearances. That comes out to $6.5 million per year for the average Big 12 school. Even Texas, which is a beneficiary of the Big 12’s unequal revenue distribution model since it receives a large number of TV appearances, received only about $12 million in TV revenue last season according the interview with Missouri’s AD that I linked to earlier. In other words, every single Big Ten school makes $10 million per year more than Texas does on TV revenue whether such school is on ABC 12 times or the Big Ten Network 12 times.


Source

The bigger issue to me are the non revenue sports. Texas is often the best diving and swimming program, often have the best track and field teams, baseball is the preseason number 1...where does that fit in with the Big 10? I won't lie and say I'm a huge supporter of the track and field or diving/swimming teams but I like knowing that my alma matter excels in those fields.

I'd rather see Texas find a way out of the Big XII's television contract and finally start the UT Sports Network that they've talked about starting up. I'd gladly pay an extra $20/month on my cable bill to have a network that shows EVERY Texas sporting event.
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
79948 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:41 pm to
Ohio State and Michigan have very good swimming programs.

Ohio State probably has the best facilities over all it's sports of anyone in the country. Just built a new swimming complex that is the best in the country. Or syncranized swimming team is the best ever too.

Baseball in the big ten sucks tho, no getting past that.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26246 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 5:57 pm to
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the Journal-World writes that "[t]ravel costs, in terms of money and fatigue, make Texas seem on the surface like a stretch, but TV revenue would more than make up for the fatigue factor."


to the almighty dollar. WGAF if it is more taxing to the STUDENT-athlete, we are gonna make a killing!
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60719 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 6:28 pm to
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still a long way to travel. I don't think this is gonna happen


It might not, but it won't be because of travel UTEP and Marshall are in CUSA. La Tech is in the WAC. Texas and the Big 10 make way more money than the WAC and CUSA.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45838 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 6:36 pm to
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Yeah, in order to be a part of the big ten you have to be in the AAU.

But schools like Rutgers, Missouri, Iowa State.


False. Hear it out of Delaney's mouth myself on the Big Show one afternoon. BUT they do want a premier research university.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45838 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 6:43 pm to
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Baseball in the big ten sucks tho, no getting past that.


As I said in the other thread (this morning), Texas basically dominates Big10 baseball and gets to come play the tournament at beautiful Huntingon Park in Columbus every year and get an auto-bid

Would be great for Big10 baseball too, because it gives them a new location to play early in the season in addition to spending every weekend in Florida.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60719 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 6:44 pm to
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they would lose money alone in travel expenses


LOL that you would post such a stupid comment. Come on Ronnie you are way better than that. Texas made $65M in profit in 2008. The would move to the Big 10 to make more and you think they'd lose it on travel? Really? They'd be traveling to the Mid-West, not Mars. What's the travel expense for Marshall or UTEP in Cusa? La Tech in the WAC? Hawaii? Boston College. In football they'll like;y still play 8 conference games, 4 at home, 4 away. So they'll have 4 long trips instead of 1 or 2? Its not like there is no cost to travel to Stillwater or Lubbuck, let alone Kansas, Nebrasaka, Mizzo, Colorado. Its not gonna cost that much more to travel to Penn State or Wisconsin.

Hell how much further is it from Austin to Penn State, UM etc compared to Washington/WSU to AZ, ASU, USC, UCLA?

This post was edited on 2/11/10 at 6:46 pm
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 6:48 pm to
Are UT fans in favor of it? Forget the money angle, I'm just talking about sports-wise.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 7:06 pm to
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Are UT fans in favor of it? Forget the money angle, I'm just talking about sports-wise.


Some apparently are, and I have no earthly idea why. It makes zero sense from a historic rivalry or geographic perspective.

There is, and always will be, a vocal minority of power brokers who believe Texas belongs in a more prestigious conference than the Big 12, or SEC for that matter. I'm talking academic prestige.

I really think this is Texas posturing to the Big 12 offices. They don't like the TV contract for starters.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/11/10 at 7:07 pm to
Actually the travel expense difference isn't as much as you would think.

All of the hotels, food, local transportation once you are there, etc. is the same. The only difference is the airplane flight is an hour or two more.

That's significant, but it's not like "Well, a trip twice as far costs twice as much."
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