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re: Big 12(texas10) really was hurt by the moves, in behind the scenes posturing
Posted on 3/18/12 at 1:56 pm to Ostrich
Posted on 3/18/12 at 1:56 pm to Ostrich
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Come back to me in January and we'll compare records and I'll tell you what position I'd rather be in.
So you are envious of Boise St? You should just join the MWC and go undefeated every year.
How about give it a few years and let's compare A&M and OU's pocketbooks & facilities. Which as you know directly correlates to recruiting and the level of coach you can attract which translates to championships.
The SEC has them in spades. The Big 12; not so much. And don't be fooled. The Big 12 glory days have passed and the SEC's aren't showing any sign of declining
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Posted on 3/18/12 at 1:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Recruits go from programs, not schedules. OU and Texas will be fine, they could get bit like USC if the current BCS stays the same, but if they do a 4 team playoff with only conference winners, it wont be an issue.
This times a billion.
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It is disingenuous for the Big 12 to say they are better off with TCU and WVU given the steps they took to keep A&M and Mizzo.
Like I first said, idgaf about A&M/Mizzou leaving. OU will be fine regardless.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 1:59 pm to Eighteen
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WVU and TCU won't make it to another BCS bowl in a long time,
True. Those teams won't win the Big 12 anytime soon. Hell Mizzou or Texas A&M could win the Big East in football or Mountain West to make it to a BCS Bowl game.lol. If anybody think otherwise then they don't know much about talent in College Football.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:00 pm to Big Kat
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How about give it a few years and let's compare A&M and OU's pocketbooks & facilities. Which as you know directly correlates to recruiting and the level of coach you can attract which translates to championships.
A&M will never be a better program than Oklahoma, sorry that's laughable.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:04 pm to Ostrich
So Ostrich, who is missing out on the recruits in Texas that the SEC will get?
Would those players have gone to Texas, Ok St, OU, Baylor otherwise?
A net gain for one program is a net loss somewhere else. Where is it?
Would those players have gone to Texas, Ok St, OU, Baylor otherwise?
A net gain for one program is a net loss somewhere else. Where is it?
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:04 pm to Ostrich
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Like I first said, idgaf about A&M/Mizzou leaving. OU will be fine regardless.
The funny thing about all that is that OU wanted to leave the Big 12 for the Pac 12 for the same reasons the other schools like Mizzou, TAMU, Nebraska, and Colorado left. ANY school would leave a conference that is being ruled by one school/State. KU, K-State, Iowa St will also bolt if given the chance. I promise you if the BIG came calling those schools they'd accept without even thinking twice about it.
Personally I think it's stupid for Mizzou to leave because of the regional rivalries, but I do UNDERSTAND why they left, especially after reading up on how the Big 12 was formed, how some schools bitched about scholarships, location of championship games, etc. Now I see why the Big 12 North teams are pissed.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:05 pm to Ostrich
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A&M will never be a better program than Oklahoma, sorry that's laughable.
Don't spit too high
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:05 pm to Ostrich
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A&M will never be a better program than Oklahoma, sorry that's laughable.
Define "better"? They won't have a "better" history but people used to say LSU would never have a program that could compete with the OU's, Alabama's, Florida's Ohio State's etc either. With the right coach and support of the AD, A&M could be a power house. Whether they ever get there is up to them.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Define "better"? They won't have a "better" history but people used to say LSU would never have a program that could compete with the OU's, Alabama's, Florida's Ohio State's etc either. With the right coach and support of the AD, A&M could be a power house. Whether they ever get there is up to them.
I kige this 1,000 times over
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:17 pm to mwlewis
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This should stir up some Mizzou fans
well its true
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:22 pm to kilo
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BCS Bids coming out of the Big East?
you still gota win the BCS game
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Mizzou would have outright won the Big East 4 or 5 years in a row and thus went to a "BCS" bowl.
:rotflmao: esp not from 2005 to 2008 you are fricking crazy
we curbed stomped the team that beat your best football team ever twice
the mizzou 2005 team went 7-5 with losses to New Mexico, Kansas and got blown out by Colorado so i doubt that team would have won the BE outright
the 2005 wvu team that beat UGA in atl only lose was to VT
Both schools had very good 2007 teams. The difference that year was WVU had a top 10 defense that kept OU in check that same OU offense that blew Mizzou out twice that year.
If this years WVU team would have played Mizzou's schedule WVU still would have won 9 regular season games with our offense
This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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StraightCashHomey21
Well its not surprising having a member of the most delusional fan base in all of college football come here and spin away this shite.
WVU hangs their hats on the "BCS". They have made great use of the Big Least AQ bid.
The reality is those days are coming to an end. You will be exposed. No one buys into it as a gage of WVU as a football program.
And yea, your best team in the time frame you mentioned was ranked #2 at its highest point....guess who was #1...... oh that's right it was Mizzou.
GTFO with your tired nonsense.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:43 pm to kilo
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GTFO with your tired nonsense.
Mizzou think they are some elitist snobs it looks like now. Ive never had any ill feelings toward your fan base but its kinda sad yall keep trying to put the schools who are no B12 members down to make yourself feel better
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And yea, your best team in the time frame you mentioned was ranked #2 at its highest point....guess who was #1...... oh that's right it was Mizzou
same year for both and guess who beat OU
we both know Mizzou was picked based on TV market not on the quality of the big two sports when it came down to it. If WVU had two major cities to draw more fans from and recruits we would be head and shoulders above Mizzou we do great for a state of only 2 million people
This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:48 pm to kilo
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. They have made great use of the Big Least AQ bid.
from 2005 to 2008 Mizzou may have won the BE once
WVU and Lville had some great teams
Posted on 3/18/12 at 2:52 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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StraightCashHomey21
You're an idiot.
You have never had a tough confernece schedule to play in a long while, at least have to go back to when Miami and VT were still there.
Mizzou fans are NOT the ones acting elitist. You might want to look in the mirror man.
Mizzou has been taking shots from all corners of the Big 12 on its way out yet you are pointing fingers at Mizzou?
WVU fans REFUSE to admit that some of their success is becasue of the weak conference they play in and that is whats really sad.
No point in arguing anymore with you delusional fricks.
Enjoy keeping that FL pipeline running and having to play solid teams week in and week out in the Big 12.
You all will be expossed in due time and then there will be no need for these arguments anymore.
This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:01 pm to kilo
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WVU fans REFUSE to admit that some of their success is becasue of the weak conference they play in and that is whats really sad.
no its really sad you think Mizzou would have won 4 or 5 BE out right titles in a row when those same years the very BE you bash had teams that would have rolled Mizzou esp the years the BE got BCS wins
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No point in arguing anymore with you delusional fricks.
ok lets talk a sport Mizzou understand Hoops you are a bball school thats never been to a final 4
The best Mizzou team maybe ever got bounced by an HBCU
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Enjoy keeping that FL pipeline running and having to play solid teams week in and week out in the Big 12.
its clear you have no fricking idea what you are talking about many former WVU players are coaches down there, that and the fact this most recent class had 15 guys from florida or something like that.
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You all will be expossed in due time and then there will be no need for these arguments anymore.
I can't wait for WVU to win 9 or 10 games this year so you ignorant fricks will shut up, enjoy being the SEC whipping boy.
We both know you were selected on TV sets and thats it, to try and front otherwise is foolish. We avg around the same at our home football games but yet you have 2 fricking major cities to draw from while WVU is in a state of only 2 million people. So what does that say about the state of Mizzou athletics or the quality of its fan base
This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:05 pm to Big Kat
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But, seriously frick the B12. It is more dysfunctional than the SWC ever dreamed of being.
I had a conversation over Christmas with a guy who work at the athletic department at CU. I don't want to post specifics because it would be pretty easy to figure out who he was and I doubt he wants those stories on the internet, but...yeah, it is totally dysfunctional.
Basically, it was like being a party right before a big fight breaks out over stupid shite and you're not drunk enough to be involved so you slip out the back before shite gets real. Plus there are a lot of other legit reasons as well.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Define "better"? They won't have a "better" history but people used to say LSU would never have a program that could compete with the OU's, Alabama's, Florida's Ohio State's etc either. With the right coach and support of the AD, A&M could be a power house. Whether they ever get there is up to them.
I don't ever see it happening at A&M. Unlike LSU, A&M will never be the number one school in the state and have that kind of support. I just don't think they will ever be on LSU's level.
Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:13 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
The best part is, the big 12 will bend over and get fricked in the heiney to make UT happy... and I'm pretty sure UT will bail and go independent sometime in the next 10 years. They will then become the Notre Dame of the 2020's, but at least they'll have hovercars.
In the last 2 years, the big 12 has basically held the idea that UT>A&M, Mizzou, CU, and Nebraksa put together. Which is not true at all.
And idk what's up with OU. They seem content to just sit back and watch UT get put on a pedestal as the premier program in that conference and not really do or say anything about it.
I'm not sure, but I think it's because all of their best players are from TX and they don't want to piss anyone off.
In the last 2 years, the big 12 has basically held the idea that UT>A&M, Mizzou, CU, and Nebraksa put together. Which is not true at all.
And idk what's up with OU. They seem content to just sit back and watch UT get put on a pedestal as the premier program in that conference and not really do or say anything about it.
I'm not sure, but I think it's because all of their best players are from TX and they don't want to piss anyone off.
This post was edited on 3/18/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 3/18/12 at 3:14 pm to Big Kat
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So Ostrich, who is missing out on the recruits in Texas that the SEC will get?
It's not like these schools are just appearing out of no where. There will always be recruiting battles with other schools and OU will be able to hold their own. In the 2012 Class, OU had FIVE recruits out of Texas. I'm not worried.
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