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re: BCS goes to Congress

Posted on 4/30/09 at 11:57 pm to
Posted by 4evrlsu
Death Valley
Member since Jun 2008
2360 posts
Posted on 4/30/09 at 11:57 pm to
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Congress hates LSU


Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15909 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 12:52 am to
Well, going out on a limb here, I am going to hope that congress does destroy the BCS.

The BCS is an outdated way that keeps the haves in power and prevents the have nots from ever getting anywhere near the national championship.

As we have seen last year with the Utes, non BCS teams deserve the chance to get into the national championship picture.

The only way that can be done quickly is to implement a college basketball championship type system with conference championships and at large bids getting in.

I doubt that this will be done, but some day I hope that the BCS and its greedy leaders will crumble and be replace by a championship system that is fair to all division 1a teams.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8139 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 1:46 am to
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I doubt that this will be done, but some day I hope that the BCS and its greedy leaders will crumble and be replace by a championship system that is fair to all division 1a teams.



Socialism!
Posted by TigerJeux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2009
898 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 4:11 am to
First of all, you ignorant fools who are complaining about what congress is doing, do you guys really think that congress sits around all day saying to themselves "Hey, you know what, we need to talk about fixing the economy. Forget all this other stuff that people bring up, like railroads, our parks, and African Affairs. The Economy should be our only focus" Uh, no they don't. Talking about "aw geez... they could be spending their time better elsewhere." WTF-ever.

They have sub-committees on all sorts of stuff. Here, I got a LINK for you of the list of ALL the subcommittees in government. It's not like they bring a bill on this subject in front of the full house and senate and debate this crap for days and days.

They sent it to the trade committee because it's an Anti-Trust case against the BCS. They at least LOOK at all anti-trust cases brought before them. This one just happens to be a high-profile case, and involves college football.

When it comes down to brass tacks, it's about money, and that's what the BCS was created for: to make money.

It was right for the Utah congressman to bring the anti-trust case against the BCS. The claim is very valid that it prevents smaller schools in lesser conferences to win the FBNC. Do you really think that in the BCS, ULL could have a miracle season, win every game and go to the NC? No way in hell. But in a playoff system, ULL could smoke each team they face and win the NC.

Smaller schools like Boise State, Utah, and BYU have to have near-consistently undefeated seasons to be considered possible. After having two undefeated seasons, winning two BCS bowl games, FINALLY Boise State is in the top 10 this year. So, what? they have to have two flawless seasons to be considered? No, that's not fair.
Posted by 44jason
Member since Sep 2007
625 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 4:42 am to
I say we have a 16 team playoff.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83086 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 11:42 am to
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The new committe chairman is Bobby Rush, a Democratic Convgressman from CHICAGO who was a very active supporter of Obama in the campaign.

Now, I could give a shite, and I'm certainly no conspiracy theorist, but you should at least get your shite straight before bashing someone else for not doing the same thing.

No, it is Joe Barton (GOP) pushing this thing. LINK
He's done it for years now. LINK

And according to that article, Orrin Hatch (GOP) is putting it on his agenda too.

I know everyone here wants to dump this on Obama and this childish mantra of "socialism", but that dog dont hunt in this case.

Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15909 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

It was right for the Utah congressman to bring the anti-trust case against the BCS. The claim is very valid that it prevents smaller schools in lesser conferences to win the FBNC.


I totally agree as I said in my post.

Its all about the money rather than being fair.

Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36423 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 2:31 pm to
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So, I don't get your complaint, other than to wish that the rules were different, so as to wish that the results weren't the same.




Actually, I love the BCS. I'm not complaining at all. I don't want a playoff. My OP was saying the BCS is fine, somebody said of course you think it is, and I responded by saying that there have actually been numerous times OSU could have made noise in a playoff, but there wasn't one. But in each of those years we could have won a playoff, we blew it in the reg season, so we didn't deserve a shot. That was my point. The BCS rewards teams that take care of business the ENTIRE year.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6744 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 2:40 pm to
All because Pete Carroll cries so much, and Barrack NoBama voiced his opinion about the need of a playoff system.

Wish they both would jump off a cliff.
Posted by Geaux Tahel
Member since Feb 2006
6744 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 2:41 pm to
+1

The BCS is great! Love it!
Posted by pitbull1Ark
Bella Vista, Arkansas
Member since Sep 2008
1212 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 2:44 pm to
Well the BCS is not perfect, but congress has no reason to get involved in this. I want my tax dollars lowered, our medical bills and pharmacy bills lowered, and lower the gas prices more. Things that we really need.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:13 pm to
Truth be told, as much as I love college football, every minute this debate might keep congress from taking action on the war, homeland security, the economy, health care, education, crime or any of the other things that would REALLY hurt to have Congres screw up is a minute well spent imo. If we can have an economic policy, or an energy policy, or a national defense policy, or a foreign policy, or a criminal justice policy, or a health care policy without congressional frick-upedness, I would gladly pay the cost of a clusterfrick National Championship system in college football.

Posted by 44jason
Member since Sep 2007
625 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:18 pm to
It sounds like that the politicians will not force a playoff. Rather, it seems like there are a bunch of proponents of putting together a committee each year that will choose who goes to the Championship. -- I think that is just another bad version of what we have now... if not worse. We need to get human bias out of the equation. We need for the issue to be settled by the coaches and players on the field.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:19 pm to
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The only way that can be done quickly is to implement a college basketball championship type system with conference championships and at large bids getting in.

I doubt that this will be done, but some day I hope that the BCS and its greedy leaders will crumble and be replace by a championship system that is fair to all division 1a teams
The only way a playoff system would be fair is if the revenue distribution were pro-rated based on program interest; if an 8-4 C-USA team is guaranteed the same money as an 11-1 Ohio State or Georgia team just because they won the "guaranteed slot" for their conference, that is bullshite. The revenue generated by a playoff will absolutely not be earned equally by all teams involved, and thus should not be distributed equally (if we really are interested in "fairness"). To do otherwise is to openly admit that this is nothing more than an attempt by the lesser programs who do not invest in football the way major programs do to grab some of the money that those major programs earned. Tulane does not, in any way, shape or form, deserve as much money as Michigan in a playoff system. That is like me demanding a chance to fight the Heavyweight Boxing champion and insisting on an equal portion of the purse "to make it fair."

Posted by True Bengal
Texas
Member since Jan 2009
787 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:21 pm to
For those worried about their tax dollars and how they are being spent, maybe you would want "big government" to take a look at this BCS mess - since they are receiving government money to go along with the advertising, ticket, tv deals, etc. ($21.6 Million between 2001-2005)

Also, pay attention to the years in case you still want to talk about congress, administrations, conspiracies, and socialism.

Also, remember who were in charge when MLB, NBA, and NFL were spending time on capitol hill.

quote:

.BCS bowls...not-for-profit...For the politically connected, a BCS game is the Mississippi River of gravy trains.

quote:

The Orange County Register reported that despite all of this, seven bowls went to politicians with their hands out and “received $21.6 million in government funding from 2001 to 2005.”

Rivals Article on BCS Money Makers (NCAA, ESPN, Bowl Committees, etc.)

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You want to get angrier? It's worth re-reading a piece that ran last Chistmas in the Orange County Register. According to the paper, "seven tax exempt bowl organizations received $21.6 million in government funding between 2001 and 2005."

BCS Money Trail
This post was edited on 5/1/09 at 3:28 pm
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:23 pm to
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We need to get human bias out of the equation.
Agree 100%. 99.999% of the problem with the BCS is the fact that it still relies upon human polls.

I've said all along, the mathematics and computing power are too easily available for there not to be a simple mathematical formula for evaluating performance based on wins, losses, and SoS as measured by the head-to-head results of every game for every team. That formula can be published so that every team has the same opportunity with the same knowlege of exactly what is required to make it to the championship. The only excuse for even one single human being having a subjective vote that is counted in the process is to make the results more unfair and more closely reflect human bias.

Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36423 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

The only way a playoff system would be fair is if the revenue distribution were pro-rated based on program interest; if an 8-4 C-USA team is guaranteed the same money as an 11-1 Ohio State or Georgia team just because they won the "guaranteed slot" for their conference, that is bullshite. The revenue generated by a playoff will absolutely not be earned equally by all teams involved, and thus should not be distributed equally (if we really are interested in "fairness"). To do otherwise is to openly admit that this is nothing more than an attempt by the lesser programs who do not invest in football the way major programs do to grab some of the money that those major programs earned. Tulane does not, in any way, shape or form, deserve as much money as Michigan in a playoff system. That is like me demanding a chance to fight the Heavyweight Boxing champion and insisting on an equal portion of the purse "to make it fair."




Bingo.
Posted by Geaux9
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2009
5173 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:43 pm to
A playoff system. If college football was just now going into its first year ever, I woud want it, But we havent had one in over 100 years of football. Let my team get cheated 50 times and i still wont want to change the game. its to late. Every season before the playoff system would seem like it didnt matter, Like they werent earned. Anybody else agree?
Posted by TigerJeux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2009
898 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

A playoff system. If college football was just now going into its first year ever, I woud want it, But we havent had one in over 100 years of football. Let my team get cheated 50 times and i still wont want to change the game. its to late. Every season before the playoff system would seem like it didnt matter, Like they werent earned. Anybody else agree?



No. And D-II, D-III football both have playoff systems that work.

Trust me, if LSU went 11-1 and 12-0 every season and didnt go to the NC because of the BCS, you'd be pissed off as much as everyone else.

The only viable option in my opinion is an eight-team playoff system. If we take into consideration that one game would be played each week, that means that the NC would end up having played 15 games. If conference championships were played the first week of December, they could immediately go into the Top-8 Playoff the following week or in the month of January. My only concern would be for the student-athletes who have finals around that time.
Posted by 44jason
Member since Sep 2007
625 posts
Posted on 5/1/09 at 3:53 pm to
No I don't agree.
If that were true then nothing before the current system would count. But it does.
Every year rules are changed.
Never do two years go by without something being different.
The only variable that remains the same is that whoever has the most points at the end of the game is considered the winner.

By the way, there will always be a human-opinion in the equation and I am referring to the refs. Sometimes those guys can totally botch a game.
But that is an evil we will just have to live with.
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