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re: ATL Thread 6/8 | Athletics (Frick) @ Braves (Anderson) | 6:20 CST | Going for 7 straight!

Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:23 pm to
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:23 pm to
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You laugh but ace pitchers are extremely hard to find.


I get that and I was laughing because we've done the QB thing recently. I do think that giving a starting pitcher the kind of money that it would probably take to keep him carries a good bit of risk. I don't want to see the Braves end up in a Strasburg or Corbin situation. Baseball's version of dead money.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:25 pm to
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Just over a third of the way through the season, #Braves 1B Matt Olson is on pace for 68 doubles. The MLB single-season record is 67, set by Earl Webb of the Red Sox in 1931.


Leads the NL in walks too. This lineup is going to be stupid good when his power really gets going.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:32 pm to
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The speed of his call up had more to do with the fact that were platooning Arcia, Demerrite and Ozuna in the outfield.


That's never a valid reason to rush someone, if you don't think they are ready. Of course the situation the Braves had opened the door for Harris, but he doesn't get the call if they weren't thoroughly impressed by his play.

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Do they think highly of him? Obviously. But this is nothing like Heyward.


You just flat out don't get my point, as evidenced by some comment about an extension that clearly wasn't the same one the Braves gave him. I don't know what timeline you're on, or what it is you think I'm trying to say, but we're on separate pages here. It's frankly exhausting, and I'm done with the subject.

Excellent performance by the Braves tonight.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:38 pm to
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Do we really think it will help that much? Regardless he hasn’t faced RHP as a RHB since he was 16 years old. Seems like it will be a major learning curve for him.

I mean, he’s never seen a slider break outside. That’s not something you pick up quickly.




He's done it a couple of times, and at least one of them was a home run, if I remember correctly. And it was last year. He was facing a righty from the Nationals with a really slow curve, and he felt that hitting right handed would help him time it up (for whatever reason), and it worked out well.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:41 pm to
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You just flat out don't get my point,


Because you are all over the place.

But I've seen your song in dance in these ATL threads in the past.

It's funny how you always feel the need to act like the smartest guy in the room when it seems on multiple occasions people can't understand what you're saying.


ETA: as for the first part, I promise you Harris is in AA or AAA right now if the outfield wasn't as bad as it was the last month.
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Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:04 pm to
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He's done it a couple of times, and at least one of them was a home run, if I remember correctly. And it was last year. He was facing a righty from the Nationals with a really slow curve, and he felt that hitting right handed would help him time it up (for whatever reason), and it worked out well.


Yeah he has 10 non-switch ABs in his career. Looks like he only does it against guys who throw a ton of offspeed. I think he did it a couple times because of injury too.

I mean I might be wrong but i just can’t imagine he could just start batting righty everyday against stuff like Degrom’s slider and see success for a while.

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Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:08 pm to
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Because you are all over the place


So not only do you not know what you're talking about, you lie and try to turn it around on me. I've been making the same point, and you are over there talking about some extension that clearly was not from the Braves, because they only gave him a two year extension after is 4th year, and it wasn't for any significant amount of money. That comment by you made no sense, and had nothing to do with anything. YOU are all over the place trying to justify your remarks.

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But I've seen your song in dance in these ATL threads in the past.



And we've all seen yours, haven't we? You're easily the most smug, arrogant, and argumentative poster here. It isn't any surprise that you'd sit there and throw stones at me.

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It's funny how you always feel the need to act like the smartest guy in the room when it seems on multiple occasions people can't understand what you're saying.



And what would those occasions be? Are you sure it isn't just you? Everybody disagrees with everybody in here, most of the time. The only thing anyone agrees on consistently is being happy with winning, and upset with losing. I've never tried to be the smartest guy in the room. But if I'm going to say something, I'm going to have a reason for saying it, and I'm going to stand behind it. I don't see anyone but you not being able to understand me, whether they agree with me or not.

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ETA: as for the first part, I promise you Harris is in AA or AAA right now if the outfield wasn't as bad as it was the last month.



I promise you that if the Braves didn't think Harris could help them significantly, they wouldn't risk screwing with his development to come in and just play defense, and HOPE for offense.

But none of this is really the point. This is your tangent, in trying to make an argument about who was more highly thought of. The point was, and is, that everyone got excited about Heyward, as he was doing all the things we see from Harris; playing great defense, hitting fairly well, and showing great speed and instincts on the basepaths. It would have been easy for the Braves to just throw money at him right away, but they didn't. They waited, and he turned out to just be ok, so they gave him a modest extension, then traded him the next year.

DOB is calling for the Braves to extend Harris if they think he's the real deal (or whatever he said), and all I said was that he should remember Jason Heyward. It doesn't matter who you believe was the better prospect. That has nothing to do with the point. That's an entirely different conversation, which you somehow led us into. What matters is that DOB is overreacting to a small sample size of an exciting prospect, and THAT was the only comparison.

I happen to also believe they are similar players in skill-set, but that's my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on that matter. But it's not central to my point, at all. I cannot be any more clear than that.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:14 pm to
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I mean I might be wrong but i just can’t imagine he could just start batting righty everyday against stuff like Degrom’s slider and see success for a while.



I don't know. I guess we'd have to see it in action. If he's in a cold spell and nothing seems to be going right, I sometimes wonder how it would hurt him to at least try it out.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:16 pm to
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I promise you that if the Braves didn't think Harris could help them significantly, they wouldn't risk screwing with his development to come in and just play defense, and HOPE for offense.



Guess this is the part where I bring up that I know Mike personally and know exactly what the Braves told him as to why they called him up.

But, by all means, go off champ.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:19 pm to
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Guess this is the part where I bring up that I know Mike personally and know exactly what the Braves told him as to why they called him up.

But, by all means, go off champ.




And this is the part where I say you're full of crap. Convenient card to try to pull out at the end of an argument.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:23 pm to
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And this is the part where I say you're full of crap. Convenient card to try to pull out at the end of an argument.



I don't care if you believe me or not, I just know why he is in Atlanta and not in Gwinnett right now.

The plan was always to purchase his contract around the All Star break and get him to AAA for the second half of the MiLB calendar, but it wasn't to be in Atlanta until September.

However, a combination of outfield woes in Atlanta, Waters not being fully healthy and Harris showing he can play CF at a MLB level this early accelerated some things.
Posted by POCKET
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:29 pm to
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The only thing anyone agrees on consistently is being happy with winning, and upset with losing.


I thought we all agreed SBD is repetitive and DiddlyDaddy was a troll
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:49 pm to
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DiddlyDaddy was a troll


huh?
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:52 pm to
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huh?


Think he meant DolphinDaddy. That dude posts some weird, weird shite.
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:54 pm to
yeah i thought he meant me

he wouldn’t be wrong but i wasn’t expecting it in the braves thread
Posted by auzach91
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:54 pm to
Another great night at the park. Time to keep it going vs the bucs
Posted by auzach91
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:58 pm to
Hey guys. Mets are losing 11-0 let’s just laugh at them and stop bitching at each other
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 11:00 pm to
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ETA: as for the first part, I promise you Harris is in AA or AAA right now if the outfield wasn't as bad as it was the last month.


I promise you that if the Braves didn't think Harris could help them significantly, they wouldn't risk screwing with his development to come in and just play defense, and HOPE for offense.


Hell, I think you're both right. He would still be in the minors if the outfield wasn't such a disaster before he came up, but they also think he is good enough right now to help them significantly, mainly by putting Duvall in left where he should be and making sure Ozuna never has to touch a glove again. Defensively, he's close to Pache but his hit tool is a lot more advanced. As long as he isn't completely drowning at the plate like Pache did last year, he helps this team a ton right now.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 7:39 am to
7 in a row

bats are exploding

keep it rolling

need to catch the mets

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 8:38 am to
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I don't want to see the Braves end up in a Strasburg or Corbin situation. Baseball's version of dead money.

I get the concern but Strasburg already had a pretty extensive injury history when the Nats paid him. Aside from a few blister issues, Fried has been healthy as a horse(knock on wood).

Pay that man his money.
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