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re: ATL Thread 5/20: Doubleheader Edition
Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:08 pm to VADawg
Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:08 pm to VADawg
Boarded a quick flight and we were up 5-0.
Landed and we lost 6-5.
Checks out for this brain dead group of entitled, now mediocre, players.
Now on to Atl traffic as a consolation prize.
Landed and we lost 6-5.
Checks out for this brain dead group of entitled, now mediocre, players.
Now on to Atl traffic as a consolation prize.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:13 pm to VADawg
quote:No the team looks terrible. All the guys who should be our best hitters are playing terribly.
So you're telling us that our eyes are playing tricks on us or something? They're all significantly worse than they were a year ago. I don't do the "back of the baseball card" nonsense. There are too many instances of guys falling off a cliff out of nowhere or becoming really good out of nowhere for me to believe in that.
They're very fortunate to be 9 games over .500 with how bad they've played and the tough schedule they've played. It's a long season though. I was pissed they didn't blow up the team at the deadline in 2021 and they went and won the World Series.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:43 pm to tween the hedges
Riley may be going to the IL now
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:52 pm to Broski
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Riley may be going to the IL now
Guessing we don't see him until the second week of June or so. I have nothing concrete to base this on other than how long Murphy has been out and how conservative the Braves tend to be with injuries.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:56 pm to VADawg
Of course they may end winning 120 games and sweeping the playoffs. But you have to wonder if AA's method of signing young guys to long term deals will end up being a bad move. Of course, hindsight will be 20/20 as we all lauded him at the time. But maybe there's something to be said for guys with a lot to lose vs those with nothing to lose.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 4:58 pm to Dale Murphy
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Of course they may end winning 120 games and sweeping the playoffs. But you have to wonder if AA's method of signing young guys to long term deals will end up being a bad move. Of course, hindsight will be 20/20 as we all lauded him at the time. But maybe there's something to be said for guys with a lot to lose vs those with nothing to lose.
I agree with you on this, but we are on an island.
Human nature suggests that some of the motivation to go to work goes out the window if you know that no matter how well (or poorly) you perform at your job, you are guaranteed to have $100M in the bank.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:07 pm to Dale Murphy
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Of course they may end winning 120 games and sweeping the playoffs. But you have to wonder if AA's method of signing young guys to long term deals will end up being a bad move. Of course, hindsight will be 20/20 as we all lauded him at the time. But maybe there's something to be said for guys with a lot to lose vs those with nothing to lose.
Interesting discussion. Could also be some psychology behind players hearing that the Braves secured all these “team friendly” long term deals and they are looking around thinking “l’m not getting paid market value” after some crazy good years in 2023.
Whatever it is there does seem to be a vibe that is lacking with this yaar’s team so far. With Snit’s awe shucks-we’ll get ‘em next time-that’s just baseball managing style, this team might need
some dogs to chew some arse.
Season is long, let’s hope they get it going and get into the playoffs hot.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:40 pm to elposter
Left the bases loaded AGAIN 
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:42 pm to VADawg
Wonder what the record is for leaving them loaded in a day. That’s 3 for the Braves so far I think.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:43 pm to Dale Murphy
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But you have to wonder if AA's method of signing young guys to long term deals will end up being a bad move
I don't think there is anyway to consider that a bad move. I think his big issue is that he is just unwilling to playball when it comes to outgoing players being on the open market. Early on, it didn't really matter because we had a deep farm that was ready to step up for those outgoing players (Riley for Donaldson and sending top prospects to land Olson), but we saw it burn us with Arcia slotting in for Swanson and who knows what we're going to do to fill the void Fried will leave.
My biggest issue from the beginning is that he seems obsessed with making a more complicated move just to for the sake of making a move.
Beaten to death obviously, but instead of just re-signing Freddie, we gave up a majority of the trade chips on the farm for Olson, who is now just two years younger than Freddie was when we let him walk. Like, wouldn't it just have been easier to give Freddie the deal he wanted? We ended up paying just as much for a slightly younger but less productive 1B, but gave up a lot of prospects to do it.
Thinking we could let Arcia or Grissom step in for Dansby was just asinine.
And then the Murphy deal was pretty questionable at the time, considering we gave up the rest of our farm assets and an incredibly team-friendly contract in Contreras (who hasn't even entered his arb years yet) for an older catcher, when we were set at catcher with TDA starting. Now, it looks incredibly stupid in retrospect considering Contreras appears to be turning into the best hitting catcher in the league while improving his defense and Murphy has been a disaster at the plate when he is healthy.
Bad moves and bad luck have our window closing faster than it previously seemed.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:48 pm to Broski
We have a bona fide MVP candidate (Ozuna) and a bona fide Cy Young candidate (Sale) right now.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:50 pm to elposter
Yep, Sale on pace to runaway with comeback player of the year.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:51 pm to elposter
Ronnie heating up at the right time.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:54 pm to 257WBY
Good at bat from Acuna. 10 pitches and roped one the other way.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 5:54 pm to 257WBY
Welp, hell of a play.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:02 pm to Broski
Dansby hit .244 last year for the Cubs and is at .209 this year. Orlando is a win for the Braves between contract and performance.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:03 pm to 257WBY
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Dansby hit .244 last year for the Cubs and is at .209 this year. Orlando is a win for the Braves between contract and performance.
Nothing about Arcia is a win.
Dansby was a clubhouse leader and a gold glove caliber SS. Arcia is neither.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:04 pm to Broski
Braves are going to regret not knocking this tomato can out in the first inning. The time honored tradition of dogshit pitchers dominating the Braves lineup continues. This guy is a terrible starting pitcher, but so was the guy who effortlessly mowed this lineup down on Friday.
You can't let agents know that you'll cave to every demand, and he also didn't want to end up missing out on Freddie and Olson. I put that one on Freddie more than anyone else. He turned down better offers from the Braves (5/$140M) than what he ultimately took from the Dodgers (6/$162M with $22M deferred, so really 6/$140M and CA taxes).
We're going to cringe when we look back on this trade 10 years from now. Murphy was downright awful at the plate in the second half last season and he stopped throwing guys out too. I didn't understand wanting to put such heavy emphasis on a catcher with elite framing skills when digital strike zones are likely coming soon. Even if he does turn out to be good, Contreras is going to be special.
I don't mind not going all in on free agency. Those moves end up burning teams far, far, far more often than not. I was really surprised he apparently wasn't willing to match what the Cardinals offered Sonny Gray, though.
My real concern about this team is that the Phillies showed the world how to beat this offense last October and the rest of the league took notice. This past month has looked an awful lot like that series.
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Like, wouldn't it just have been easier to give Freddie the deal he wanted?
You can't let agents know that you'll cave to every demand, and he also didn't want to end up missing out on Freddie and Olson. I put that one on Freddie more than anyone else. He turned down better offers from the Braves (5/$140M) than what he ultimately took from the Dodgers (6/$162M with $22M deferred, so really 6/$140M and CA taxes).
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And then the Murphy deal was pretty questionable at the time, considering we gave up the rest of our farm assets and an incredibly team-friendly contract in Contreras (who hasn't even entered his arb years yet) for an older catcher, when we were set at catcher with TDA starting. Now, it looks incredibly stupid in retrospect considering Contreras appears to be turning into the best hitting catcher in the league while improving his defense and Murphy has been a disaster at the plate when he is healthy.
We're going to cringe when we look back on this trade 10 years from now. Murphy was downright awful at the plate in the second half last season and he stopped throwing guys out too. I didn't understand wanting to put such heavy emphasis on a catcher with elite framing skills when digital strike zones are likely coming soon. Even if he does turn out to be good, Contreras is going to be special.
I don't mind not going all in on free agency. Those moves end up burning teams far, far, far more often than not. I was really surprised he apparently wasn't willing to match what the Cardinals offered Sonny Gray, though.
My real concern about this team is that the Phillies showed the world how to beat this offense last October and the rest of the league took notice. This past month has looked an awful lot like that series.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:04 pm to Broski
Arcia has hit better than Dansby and defense has been solid this season.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 6:05 pm to Broski
quote:
Dansby was a clubhouse leader and a gold glove caliber SS. Arcia is neither
Arcia is definitely a gold glove caliber SS. He is horrid at the plate but he has been great in the field this season. IMO, Dansby is a good player, but he isn't a franchise cornerstone type.
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