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re: At what point did Lebron pass Kobe and become the best basketball player
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
2009
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:16 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:what about 2004-2005?
Lebron's PER in 2005-2006 was 28.1. Kobe's PER in the same season was 28.0. That difference is far too small to say pretty clearly. Come on shel.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:17 pm to shel311
One year doesn't mean shite bro
fricking al Farouq aminu shot 40% from 3 one year, does that make him a career 40% shooter?
fricking al Farouq aminu shot 40% from 3 one year, does that make him a career 40% shooter?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:17 pm to shel311
Kobe was better in 2005-2006. I watched a lot of games that year and he was better. Stats are fantastic, but you cannot have blind worship to them. They have to be held in context and used in complement to actually watching the players play.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:19 pm to The Future
quote:one year?
One year doesn't mean shite bro
Not sure i follow
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:20 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
ETA: In order to pass someone, you have to clearly be better.
2004-2005, the difference isn't as close as you're making it out to be
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:21 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I'll say when Lebron went to the Finals with the Cavs
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:22 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:I could be wrong, but isn't that the yearlLebron averaged 31/7/7?
Kobe was better in 2005-2006
I'd say that's certainly up for debate.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:25 pm to shel311
In the 2004-05 and 05-06 seasons, Cavs had a better record than the Lakers and I think the cast around LBJ wasn't as good as the cast around Kobe. I think you have to factor in how their play affects the team. Neither team had a great roster in those years though.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:27 pm to burdman
When that damn achilles snapped.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:29 pm to shel311
Kobe passed him the following year then.
Lebron was not even top 5 in PER in 2004-2005 if that is what you are using as the measurement.
Lebron did not lead the league until 2007-2008 in PER. Kobe also had a higher PER in 2006-2007. At best, you could argue they back and forth from 2003-2007. He cannot pass Kobe for good if Kobe passed him back. Your answer should be 2007-2008.
2007-2008 is the first year that there is a decent gap in the quality of play for Lebron over Kobe if you are only looking at PER (which is pretty fricking stupid to look at just one stat, no matter how comprehensive - one true number stats are misapplied).
Lebron was not even top 5 in PER in 2004-2005 if that is what you are using as the measurement.
Lebron did not lead the league until 2007-2008 in PER. Kobe also had a higher PER in 2006-2007. At best, you could argue they back and forth from 2003-2007. He cannot pass Kobe for good if Kobe passed him back. Your answer should be 2007-2008.
2007-2008 is the first year that there is a decent gap in the quality of play for Lebron over Kobe if you are only looking at PER (which is pretty fricking stupid to look at just one stat, no matter how comprehensive - one true number stats are misapplied).
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:31 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
I actually think back in the summer of 08. When he took the Celtics to 7 games in the playoffs with a terrible Cavs team. Kobe struggled in the 6 game series they lost.
Thats just opinion though.
I think it was official when he won MVP in 09.
Thats just opinion though.
I think it was official when he won MVP in 09.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:31 pm to okietiger
Remember when Kobe won the dunk contest?:
Remember when Lebron did? Oh wait.
Remember when Lebron did? Oh wait.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:34 pm to okietiger
What year did Kobe quit on his team in the playoffs against the Suns?
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:34 pm to shel311
quote:
I could be wrong, but isn't that the yearlLebron averaged 31/7/7?
And Kobe went 35/5/5.
quote:
I'd say that's certainly up for debate.
That is what I had maintained pretty much the whole time. Like I said, you could argue 2003-2006. 2007-2008 is where a strong case for Lebron over Kobe clearly. Before then, it is more a matter of personal preference.
I thought Kobe was better up until 2006-2007 for sure IMO. If you look at that season, Kobe has a higher PER, TS%, and WS/48.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:35 pm to okietiger
There's nothing special about that dunk
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:37 pm to okietiger
In 1997, the dunk contest year, Kobe was a rookie who played 15 min a game and avg 7 pts. That's why he was in the dunk contest. How many dunk contest have Carmelo or Durant or Wade done? Don't get the LBJ dunk contest thing.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:45 pm to burdman
quote:
I think the cast around LBJ wasn't as good as the cast around Kobe
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:49 pm to theunknownknight
When he took a bunch of clowns to the finals
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