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re: At what point did Lebron pass Kobe and become the best basketball player
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:49 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:49 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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I think we can all agree that Lebron surpassed Kobe by 2009 or 2010 at the latest
no I'll go with 2012.
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:50 pm to PapaPogey
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There's nothing special about that dunk
LBJ's dunk in the dunk contest sure is special. Wait a sec...
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:51 pm to PhiTiger1764
08-09 at the absolute latest, although I think it was a season or two prior to that. 08-09 isn't even debatable IMO, Lebron was like a video game hack in the playoffs that season
Posted on 5/6/13 at 10:59 pm to TulaneTigerFan
The way I looked at it is this: If I had to pick one of the two players to be on my team to help me win one game, who am I taking?
I'm taking Kobe through 2010. Coin Toss in 2011. And LeBron since then..
I'm taking Kobe through 2010. Coin Toss in 2011. And LeBron since then..
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:02 pm to PhiTiger1764
I would take LeBron in every season of his career except his rookie season.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:04 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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08-09 at the absolute latest, although I think it was a season or two prior to that. 08-09 isn't even debatable IMO, Lebron was like a video game hack in the playoffs that season
Agreed. I think Kobe was definitely better in 2006-2007. For whatever reason, Lebron was "off" that year and Kobe had a very strong season.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:07 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Yeah, after looking at more stats I'm going with 08-09 as the year of Lebron's ascension. It was the first season he led the NBA in both win shares and PER (still the highest PER of his career), and he went crazy in the playoffs with 35/9/7 on 51% shooting. It's debatable prior to that
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:15 pm to TulaneTigerFan
I can post gifs too
What is Kobe's record when he goes head to head against a Lebron team?
I'll wait
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:15 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Yeah, that was his second to last year in Cleveland and he was unreal. He has now been the best player in the league for five years. His only inconsistent year was that first season with the Heat. It is still amazing how underwhelming he was in those Finals. It was not even the same player.
He actually led the league in PER the previous season, but honestly, Paul was better.
He actually led the league in PER the previous season, but honestly, Paul was better.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:16 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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TulaneTigerFan
Agreed
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:19 pm to PhiTiger1764
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no
I'll go with 2012.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:23 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Yeah, that was his second to last year in Cleveland and he was unreal. He has now been the best player in the league for five years. His only inconsistent year was that first season with the Heat. It is still amazing how underwhelming he was in those Finals. It was not even the same player.
I have a theory on that.
1. LeBron is naturally a passive player. Just look at today's game. No reason he shouldnt have put up more than 17 shots.
2. DWade was so awesome (for most of the series) ....that I think LeBron just figured Wade would carry them home. People remember LeBron being underwhelming. HOwever they forget how bad Wade was in the last minute of those games.
3. Spo coached that series terrible. He made LeBron a stand in the corner 3 point shooter. It was ISO Wade, Iso Wade. No ball movement whatsoever.
No excuse whatsover. LeBron blew it. But damn that was some bad coaching.
Also....I've been disappointed with LeBron these playoffs. If you noticed last year...he was getting 30 a game. Now he's at about 24. Screw all the efficiency shite and shoot the ball! LeBron needs to shoot it a minimum of 22 times a game.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:27 pm to Rittdog
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Also....I've been disappointed with LeBron these playoffs. If you noticed last year...he was getting 30 a game. Now he's at about 24. Screw all the efficiency shite and shoot the ball! LeBron needs to shoot it a minimum of 22 times a game.
As long as they win, it does not matter. Of course, this was their first real test. The Bucks were like a 38 win team in the East. I am sure they will be fine. I would go with Heat in 6.
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1. LeBron is naturally a passive player.
I love watching aggressive players. Even though they could be more inconsistent and even less inefficient, guys like Westbrook and Kobe are fun as shite to watch IMO.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:29 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Really? The Heat lose game 1 at Miami against the Bulls bench and we still get this kind of thread? frick.
Posted on 5/6/13 at 11:30 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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I love watching aggressive players. Even though they could be more inconsistent and even less inefficient, guys like Westbrook and Kobe are fun as shite to watch IMO.
Very fun, but they could never be my number 1 guy to watch. I get so mad when people make the wrong play or don't pass to force a shot
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:04 am to BRUNNIN4
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I think the real question is when was Kobe ever the best player in the NBA? Guys like Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, Dirk, and Lebron have always made it where he wasn't the best at that particular moment.
He never was.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:20 am to bobbyray21
Lebron has been the best basketball player on the planet back to and including the 2006-7 season.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 12:24 am
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:27 am to shel311
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Year 2,pretty clearly Imo. I think it was 2005.
wow just wow
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:29 am to burdman
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In the 2004-05 and 05-06 seasons, Cavs had a better record than the Lakers and I think the cast around LBJ wasn't as good as the cast around Kobe. I think you have to factor in how their play affects the team. Neither team had a great roster in those years though.
they also played in the dreadful east
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:30 am to bobbyray21
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including the 2006-7 season.
No. Just no.
Lebron did not league in any regular season statistic except for minutes played. He shot 41% in the playoffs. He led the league in some volume playoff stats only because his team played in 20 games that postseason. In fact, he even played worse in the postseason than in the regular season, which happened to be an abnormally below average season for his standards.
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