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re: Anybody have high-def pics of Holmes not catching the TD?
Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:34 pm to TigahRag
Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:34 pm to TigahRag
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it was bang bang and didn't look a whole lot different than the one that was overturned earlier, imo ..
Hardly bang bang imo
Warner starts his arm forward and the lineman completely stops the arm motion, shoving the ball into Warner's armpit. With the defender still on him Warner pushes the ball out. One replay looked like he had his hand on the ball still but the pass was ugly and if there were angles showing the ball twisting then it should be a fumble, since the forward motion was stopped on the initial hit.
Biggest differences from the overturned one earlier: Ball was not hit on the earlier one i don't think, and it was a pretty good spiral if it was supposed to be a fumble... First one was clearly a throw (should have been int. grounding though).
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Posted on 2/2/09 at 2:45 pm to TigahRag
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watch a replay of that play and the one that was overturned and tell me if there was a MAJOR difference .. and besides, the main point is how do you not at least review that play ?
I've seen it about 100 times already. It's clear that he loses poession of the ball while it going back. The booth looked at it and decided it wasn;t even close enough to review. There was at least a minute for the booth to make this decision. It really only took 1 or 2 looks.
Like I said this same exact play happened to Brees against Tampa, it was reviewed and ruled a fumble
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:25 pm to TigerPhan27
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The booth looked at it and decided it wasn;t even close enough to review. There was at least a minute for the booth to make this decision. It really only took 1 or 2 looks.
shite .. pittsburgh was in the victory formation 30 seconds after the call .. if the booth reviewed that shite .. raymond the rain man must have done the 4 second review ... you stop play and make fricking sure ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:34 pm to TigahRag
I guess the booth, like me, realized it was a fumble when it happened and decided to not be like college football and booth review every other play
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:41 pm to TigerPhan27
Anyone who watches the replay of the last play and says it WAS a fumble are either blind or bias. It is very obvious Warner was in the act of throwing the ball.
You wanna know the secret? Watch the elbow. It was turning in before he lost possession, which means...it was an incomplete pass. The elbow is the first thing to go forward when passing the football. Case closed.
Why no review? I bet none of us REALLY wanna know the answer to that.
You wanna know the secret? Watch the elbow. It was turning in before he lost possession, which means...it was an incomplete pass. The elbow is the first thing to go forward when passing the football. Case closed.
Why no review? I bet none of us REALLY wanna know the answer to that.
This post was edited on 2/2/09 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 2/2/09 at 3:54 pm to theunknownknight
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is very obvious Warner was in the act of throwing the ball.
I agree that part of throwing the ball is going back with it, so yes he was in the act of cocking the ball back
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Why no review? I bet none of us REALLY wanna know the answer to that.
"after further review the booth changes its mind and decides this is a foward pass to appease whoever thinks we are cheating, the pass hit an Arizona lineman therefore we will now enforce a 10 yard penalty for illegal touching thank you"
Posted on 2/2/09 at 4:01 pm to TigerPhan27
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"after further review the booth changes its mind and decides this is a foward pass to appease whoever thinks we are cheating, the pass hit an Arizona lineman therefore we will now enforce a 10 yard penalty for illegal touching thank you"
1. Still have possession
2. 5-8 seconds left
3. Can't end the game on a penalty
4. The NEVER gave a it REAL review in the first place
Posted on 2/2/09 at 4:22 pm to theunknownknight
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Anyone who watches the replay of the last play and says it WAS a fumble are either blind or bias. It is very obvious Warner was in the act of throwing the ball.
You wanna know the secret? Watch the elbow. It was turning in before he lost possession, which means...it was an incomplete pass. The elbow is the first thing to go forward when passing the football. Case closed.
I'm undecided on which way I see it. I think it's a fumble, but some angles make it tough to say that 100%.
Warner starts the full throwing motion and is completely stopped by the defender. And not like touched and the ball flies out stopped, the throwing motion was stopped completely.
Elbow means nothing. It's possession + forward movement of the arm. The question here is possession after the contact (as the arm was stopped, the question of knocking it loose during the throw it out). Some say he had it, some say he lost it. Booth officials said he lost it.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 7:55 pm to TigerPhan27
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I guess the booth, like me, realized it was a fumble when it happened and decided to not be like college football and booth review every other play
yeah, you're right .. no reason at all to review basically the last play of an uber-tight super bowl with the world championship on the line ... that decision can be made four stories above the field ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:36 pm to TigahRag
the booth watched the replay right when it happened, they like most of us saw enough to not waste 3 more minutes reviewing. There was at least a minute until the next play was run. I'm saw they saw the play a dozen times. it really only took 1 or 2.
A to whoever said a game can't end on a penatly it can if it's on the offense.
A to whoever said a game can't end on a penatly it can if it's on the offense.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:49 pm to TigahRag
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you don't know from that angle if he has control of the ball yet .. you can't profess it as water tight either way ..
Did you watch the game?
He never bobbled the ball and caught the ball above his head. Clearly the ball was controlled by that point.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:53 pm to moneyg
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Did you watch the game?
He never bobbled the ball and caught the ball above his head. Clearly the ball was controlled by that point.
uh yeah .. i watched the game and there is always even the slightest point during a clean catch with the receiver simultaneously trying to get his feet down that he has to gain control of the ball .... but congrats on winning your bet ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:53 pm to TigahRag
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it was bang bang and didn't look a whole lot different than the one that was overturned earlier, imo ..
You really come across as a guy who was pulling for Arizona.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:54 pm to moneyg
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You really come across as a guy who was pulling for Arizona.
nope .. i was like prolly 85% of the country that could give a shite about either team ..and fwiw, you come across as someone that had money on pittsburgh ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:56 pm to TigerPhan27
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the booth watched the replay right when it happened, they like most of us saw enough to not waste 3 more minutes reviewing. There was at least a minute until the next play was run. I'm saw they saw the play a dozen times. it really only took 1 or 2.
come on phan .. what would 3 more minutes have really mattered ?? the game was already almost at the four hour mark ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:57 pm to TigahRag
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..and fwiw, you come across as someone that had money on pittsburgh ..
not at all. I was pulling for Arizona like everyone else I know.
But, the arguments you are making for the bad calls are pretty poor, IMO.
I think the return was a TD, the catch was a TD, and the fumble was a fumble. All good calls IMO.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 8:58 pm to TigahRag
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come on phan .. what would 3 more minutes have really mattered ?? the game was already almost at the four hour mark ..
It wouldn't have mattered...but it was clearly a fumble IMO.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:00 pm to moneyg
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It wouldn't have mattered...
yes it would have .. at least everyone questioning the situation this morning would know it was at least looked at in the booth ..
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but it was clearly a fumble IMO.
and i disagree with you .. hence the beauty of sports ..
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:04 pm to TigahRag
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yes it would have .. at least everyone questioning the situation this morning would know it was at least looked at in the booth ..
No, I was agreeing with you that the extra 3 minutes would not have mattered. See my quote above.
My point is that even though they could have taken more time to assure the correct call, it seemed pretty evident that it was the correct call.
Posted on 2/2/09 at 9:06 pm to moneyg
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But, the arguments you are making for the bad calls are pretty poor, IMO.
you do know what the "O" stands for in imo, right .. so far i haven't seen one objective argumentative piece in anything you've said besides saying it is your opinion ... you think my argumenrs are poor and i think yours are non-existant outside of "cause i said so" ...
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I think the return was a TD, the catch was a TD, and the fumble was a fumble. All good calls IMO.
IMO, the return is closer than you are giving it credit for, the TD catch was a catch based on all available angles .. and we didn't see enough of the last fumble to make that definitive determination ..
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