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re: Anthony Edwards: Outside of Jordan, nobody in the NBA had any skills until Kobe came along
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They think hand checking is this all powerful force, and somehow more powerful than cutting the time to cross halfcourt by 20% and allowing partial zones.
I really hope they bring it back soon so people who harp on it realize how little it would affect things today.
hand checking and bumping people can be adjusted to pretty easily to be honest
what can not be adjusted to is how F1 and F2 fouls exist now and how you could get absolutely crushed on a foul in the bad old days and only take the ball out or maybe get two FTs
hand checking effects are overblown, however little things like chicken wing screens, poking legs out on pick and rolls and HULK SMASH on people going to the basket was absolutely a thing that really doesnt exist today.
The flip side of that coin is I do not understand what constitutes a foul on a shot attempt anymore. I cant tell you how many times I have seen a spectacular dunk on espn and the offensive player was clearly fouled and there is no call, play on
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:42 pm to supatigah
What idiots like him don’t understand about that era are the two biggest factors for the low scoring. The Shaq effect which forced teams to draft oversized centers with no offensive skill to defend him pushing their true centers to the PF position erasing one of the true forward spots. The second was the influx of undeveloped HS and freshman talent at the top of the draft leaving the league, especially the bottom full of incompetent players who were terribly inefficient.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
As usual you’re fabricating an era you know zero about. Everything you’re saying about movement and team ball is false.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:46 pm to therick711
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It is kind of interesting. If hand checks don't matter, why did the NBA crack down on them to improve offensive outcomes. Your options are the NBA was wrong assuming it made a difference, or the NBA was correct that it had to crack down on hand checks to improve offensive outcomes.
pace of play improvements
hand checking slows the players and the game down
the league wants more north and south play, hand checking takes away the athletic advantage of a more dynamic team and slows them down
hand checking wasnt a big deal for teams walking it up and going through sets, if a defender was beating up your PG bringing it up he would just pass away from it
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:52 pm to lsupride87
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but as a whole the future will always be better in team sports
How can you be so consistently wrong? The players today get calls on stuff that was allowed in the 90s. Those 90s players had to play against tougher defenses. Just because something is me doesn’t mean it is better.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:58 pm to BBONDS25
This is the lie he uses as the linchpin of his entire argument. “ Don’t look at the numbers, don’t look at the rule changes, just believe me that defenses are better now because I say so.” Once you get past that fallacy his entire argument crumbles.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 4:59 pm to supatigah
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one thing i will unequivocally say is I am so glad the Starbury AND1 style ISO on the perimeter crossover followed by a crossover with another crossover has died a painful death and gone away
I will take Brooke Lopez standing on the wing shooting threes all day long over that over dribbling BS they all used to do
It's not all roses though. This era gave birth to a stilted perimeter iso with the primary goal of getting foul shots by jumping into defenders. Players got their 28 with 10 or more at the line. Viewers suffered.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What's a hand check going to do against this Spursgasm (which was pre-2014 GS Revolution, mind you)
It would nerf the effectiveness of the pin down screens and slow the middle cut, as it has always done. Hand checks were occurring off the ball, you know that, right?
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:04 pm to therick711
If you reinstated the hand check rule and officiated the post correctly the game would improve dramatically. The 3s are great, the space is great but the defense has to have teeth. Running these sagging, over helping defenses that can’t attack anyone just takes so much away from the total game.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:51 pm to BBONDS25
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Those 90s players had to play against tougher defenses. Just because something is me doesn’t mean it is better.
I bet you think defenses in the nfl used to be tougher too. Just because they had harder fouls doesn’t make them tougher or better
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:58 pm to lsupride87
In 30 years schemes, coaching knowledge, player knowledge, nutrition, advancement in using tech, etc etc will get better. My sons generation of teams will be better and so will his sons and so on
I think it takes the ultimate feat of stubbornness to not accept this
I think it takes the ultimate feat of stubbornness to not accept this
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:58 pm to lsupride87
The NFL defenses were better dipshit.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:59 pm to dukke v
quote:Of course. Humans are regressing now. Absolutely
The NFL defenses were better dipshit.
By 2100 nba teams would have lost to middle school teams from the 90s
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:02 pm to lsupride87
Not what I’m talking about. But I’m talking to a total dumbass I can understand….. you can’t compare eras and of course the athletes have better nutrition today. But the 76 Steelers, 85 bears, 84 niners, 86 giants in their prime could compete with todays teams.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:03 pm to dukke v
They would get dominated as teams. Throttled. Individual greats can always transcend era. Teams can’t
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:10 pm to dukke v
You can’t discuss things rationally with someone like that. Refusing to admit fact, constant deflection and zero understanding of the subject matter is what you’re dealing with.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:12 pm to Madking
You have zero facts to show your side either. 
Thinking anyone dealing in “facts” here is ludicrous when comparing teams from 30 years apart
Because of this, I think Occams Razor is as time goes we evolve in multiple wars that make athletics get better and better as we move forward, not worse…
Thinking anyone dealing in “facts” here is ludicrous when comparing teams from 30 years apart Because of this, I think Occams Razor is as time goes we evolve in multiple wars that make athletics get better and better as we move forward, not worse…
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:12 pm to lsupride87
Again you don’t know or understand the rules that lead to changes in the sport. You focus on relative numbers without any knowledge of how they came to be. I had a GF in college I taught to score games while I cut up tape. She knew nothing about basketball but could read a box score just like you.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:12 pm to lsupride87
Yea that’s just false
Posted on 8/21/24 at 6:14 pm to Madking
What fact can you show me that a 96 team is better than today? You can’t. You can only show me data from those players playing against others from their era….
Every “fact” you have is 96 players playing with 96 rules, with 96 coaches, with 96 players, etc
There is zero factual data of 2024 teams playing 96 teams. You simply can only make one of two assumptions :
1. In the last 30 years basketball players have gotten better
2. In the last 30 years basketball players have gotten worse
Every “fact” you have is 96 players playing with 96 rules, with 96 coaches, with 96 players, etc
There is zero factual data of 2024 teams playing 96 teams. You simply can only make one of two assumptions :
1. In the last 30 years basketball players have gotten better
2. In the last 30 years basketball players have gotten worse
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 6:19 pm
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