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re: Anthony Davis faked an injury and left the arena midgame
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:52 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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and what exactly does that do for someone coming off their rookie deal? they are being told a) you can take a QO offer and have a one year deal with a fraction of a salary and hope you dont have a down year or destroy your achilies, or b) take this life altering contract right now that is fully guranteed
Sometimes the major choices in life are the obvious ones. Not sure what else you want
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the NBA is better to its players than both the NFL and major league baseball. no question. no debate at all. it doesnt mean that its perfect
What’s your solution here? Players get fully guaranteed long term max deals but get an automatic free agent button whenever they want? Contracts are two way street. You’re going to have to sacrafice something to come to a deal. The team is sacrificing boatloads of cash, and the player is sacrificing the next 5 years of his career control. It’s a pretty simple concept
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m simply saying, we should start to look at how we handle the second contract situation. i would love to see either a longer rookie deal, somewhere around 6 years, that has more team opt ins. or even something like a 6 year deal that a player can opt out of but then automatically be forced into restricted free agency. idk
So you want the player to have less control and a longer path to FA? That seems contradictory
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as almost every single person does/would do. still doesnt mean i dont see where some of the players are coming from when they are being tied to those teams with no real say other than "take a huge personal risk if you dont like it"
Every job worth having comes with personal risk. There not going to be a perfect safe path that brings you exactly what you want all the time. The players have plenty of options, just because the option that the pelicans offer is wayyyy better than the other options, doesn’t mean that the players aren’t given a fair shot at having either path.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 10:56 pm
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:54 pm to Jwho77
Funny how an organization treats you after giving them your all. Lol they surrounded him with trash teams and wasted years of good stats and performances. Who the frick wants to play basketball in New Orleans ?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:55 pm to WestCoastAg
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I'm simply saying "AD shouldnt have signed that extension if he didnt want to play for NOLA" is very intellectually dishonest
Your stupidity gets worse by the day aggy
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:00 pm to WestCoastAg
It shouldn’t be “perfect”. The NBA is tremendously player friendly. Making players’ life decisions easier and more favorable for them shouldn’t be a priority and it’s not the league’s responsibility at this point. They are compensated fairly and they are under control for 4 years and get a chance to cash in well before their prime. Slanting things more towards the players would border on ruining the product at this point.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:01 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:the acknowledgement that these players dont have full control with comparable options over their career decisions when they are coming off their rookie deal and the understanding that some players may not like that
Sometimes the major choices in life are the obvious ones. Not sure what else you want
quote:how many times do i have to say that a player should honor whatever agreement they sign? also, i have no sympathy in any way shape or form for players who sign deals as unrestricted free agents
Players get fully guaranteed long term max deals but get an automatic free agent button whenever they want?
quote:what? how long is the average path to free agency? i bet its somewhere around 6 years when you factor in the players who dont get long term max deals like AD got. i bet that set up really wouldnt mess too much with current team control for players who arent quite worthy of a long term deal, while also keeping the salary lower and would potentially give a player an extra two to three years of control back if they would be a player deserving a legitimate max deal. i honestly think thats a fairly decent compromise. no one would ever agree to that cause it would be less guaranteed money for the player, but a fair compromise nonetheless
So you want the player to have less control and a longer path to FA? That seems contradictory
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:06 pm to AU4real35
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Loser organization will always be a loser organization. They deserve everything they get, sucks to suck.
Yeah, I sure wish we could trade with Alabama's team...…
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:07 pm to WestCoastAg
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the acknowledgement that these players dont have full control over their career decisions and the understanding that some players may not like that
I mean that’s life. It’s about choices. He had much better choices than 99 percent of the population will ever have in their life
it’s an elementary view of the world to think that not getting everything you want is unfair Path A: take the QO and gain your free agency as soon as possible, assume the risk of staying healthy but reach your FA next season and sign the max with whomever you want.
Path B: Sign for the Super max with a franchise who may never take the next step. Maybe hundred of million dollars but probably won’t win a title.
Some real first world shite to want to be able to choose both paths
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:16 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:and i think its an equally elementary view of the world to expect every single one of them to just shrug their shoulders and go whatever
it’s an elementary view of the world to think that not getting everything you want is unfair
quote:i think the longer rookie deal that i proposed is a fair compromise
Some real first world shite to want to be able to choose both paths
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:20 pm to WestCoastAg
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think the longer rookie deal that i proposed is a fair compromise
You’re putting the players further away from their payday and paying them less while they wait than the QO option
If the players are willing to wait six years for FA in your scenario for more control then why wouldn’t they go the QO route?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:28 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:im putting a few players further away from their payday and those who are farther from their payday probably werent getting much of one either. its potentially keeping the middle tier of players at about the same amount of years of control but they will be entering the free market at the same time and i think the money will be equal once the hit the open and free market. it is absolutely losing some money for the upper tier player. but thats where the balancing act/compromise comes in
You’re putting the players further away from their payday
quote:because its two extra years of guaranteed money and not just one? i think you are severely underestimating the kind of money players get on rookie deals right now. assuming the nuggets pick up his option deal, michael porter jr will be making like 8 million dollars his final year and he was the last lottery pick. lonzo will be making a little under 20 million iirc his last year on his rookie deal assuming the lakers pick up his option
then why wouldn’t they go the QO route?
hell, this would essentially be a two year QO, the actual year to year increase would be similar. instead of having a 6 year rookie deal, if you wanted to make it a two year QO instead of one i would be down for that
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:29 pm to WestCoastAg
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and i think its an equally elementary view of the world to expect every single one of them to just shrug their shoulders and go whatever
You mean despite the collective bargaining agreement they agreed to and play under?
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:32 pm to moneyg
these are all like 7/10 year CBAs. most of the players entering into their second contracts did not collectively bargain the situation surrounding those
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:32 pm to xenythx
Huge bitch move and they shouldn't be forced to play a guy who doesn't want to be there. That is absurd to do that in professional sports.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:32 pm to NamariTiger
AD has been surrounded with talent
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:33 pm to little billy
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the Pelicans should have traded him. he's probably going to end up with the Lakers anyway.
He's under contract.
If they don't like the trade market at the moment, why should they just dish him out? They have next season to get better offers. That's the right move.
This is fine, let him fake his injuries. They league shouldn't force them to play him or threaten draft picks.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:35 pm to Bustedsack
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This butthurt over AD is pitiful. Pelicans had every opportunity to build something around that kid, and didn't. He deserves to go where he wants. Your anger should be directed towards the Pels office.
You're not too bright are you?
You realize they have next season as well to entertain trade ideas?
Pelicans made a wise decision to pass on the currents offers if they didn't like them. They were garbage and they can afford to wait. They shouldn't be forced to play him though.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:37 pm to WestCoastAg
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these are all like 7/10 year CBAs. most of the players entering into their second contracts did not collectively bargain the situation surrounding those
and?
fwiw it was January of '17, so your point isn't valid anyway.
But, it's just another case of you showing you want it both ways. You want collective bargaining, but won't hold individuals to the agreement?
You are coming across as an illogical bleeding heart.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:37 pm to Bustedsack
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This butthurt over AD is pitiful. Pelicans had every opportunity to build something around that kid, and didn't. He deserves to go where he wants. Your anger should be directed towards the Pels office.
Pels made the right call for their franchise.
They can tank this season, get a great pick.. and then trade him next season for a possible better deal.
The league shouldn't threaten draft picks against NOLA. The player doesn't want to play for them, then they have every right to bench him and get a better deal next season.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:38 pm to moneyg
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:37 am to WestCoastAg
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Not really when there is this thing called restricted free agency
Well you take the qualifying offer, play a year, and then go into unrestricted free agency. There was a path but he decided on financial security with the extension.
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