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re: American Pharoah vs. Secretariat; Side-by-Side Synched Videos
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:54 pm to PrimeTime Money
Espinoza >>>>> Turcotte and this thread is dumb
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:55 pm to lsupride87
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Never once said that. Look, im cool with back in forth in a Lebron thread. But in every thread, dont come in being a dumbfrick and saying things i never once mentioned. I never once said AP was thinking anything. I said horse races are based on more than horses running all out
you said
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It was clear as day AP had a ton left in the tank at the end. That was not the fastest AP could run.
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2. Secretariat somehow runs even faster because AP pushes him at some point(Not likely)
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Yes. He held a comfortable lead from the beginning, the horses that were expected to push the pace early never made their move. AP coasted.
you basically said AP wasn't pushed and could've ran faster but it's unlikely secretariat could've run faster (even though he had a gigantic lead so who's to say he wasn't coasting). saying that AP coasted is basically saying you know what his mindset was.
also
quote:I never said that, stop being a giant vagina. nothing I came in here with is "acting like a teenage girl". you're the one who got mad and starting throwing a temper tantrum
But fear and hg came in here like teenage girls and said that I did
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:55 pm to slackster
quote:That was my only point in this whole thread. Was to say mashing up one race isnt a good way to compare horses
We obviously don't know for sure what would happen if they raced head to head
quote:Agree with all of this
but you can't criticize Secretariat's last quarter-mile when he has a 20 length lead going into the damn thing.
Additionally, AP's Beyer Speed Figure was 105 yesterday, which is actually below the historical norm fo the race. The track was blistering fast Saturday, and that was evident in the times throughtout the day. For reference, Secretariat's Belmont Beyer Speed Figure is estimated to have been 139.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:57 pm to slackster
I thought that beyer speed figure was a little low. I figured it would be around 110-111 considering he ran a half second faster than brooklyn inv. winner Coach Inge while also carrying 9 pounds more.
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:59 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:bullshite. I said it was due to how the race was, not his fricking mindset. The jockey/horse will often respond to how the other horses around them run
saying that AP coasted is basically saying you know what his mindset was.
quote:And I backed that up saying it was my opinion, based on the quotes from Secretariats jockey. For whatever reason Sec decided he was gonna run hard as hell that day
but it's unlikely secretariat could've run faster (even though he had a gigantic lead so who's to say he wasn't coasting).
quote:You quoted my as talking about how horses think multiple times, which I NEVER ONCE SAID OR EVEN ALLUDED TOO. Look, call me a pussy, I dont care. But you came in here doing your normal shite, and it pissed me off this time. You wanted to be a dick and make me mad, so be happy, you succeeded. Normally I laugh it off, but I got tired of your shite in this thread. So you win
I never said that, stop being a giant vagina. nothing I came in here with is "acting like a teenage girl". you're the one who got mad and starting throwing a temper tantrum
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:59 pm to tigerpawl
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:00 pm to tigerpawl
Secretariat was a bad dude.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:01 pm to SDVTiger
quote:Only supports the notion that Secretariat was the GOAT .... since he had an inferior jockey. And Chicken is nominating this thread for the TOTY Award.
Espinoza >>>>> Turcotte and this thread is dumb
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:dude wtf are you talking about? I came in with no intentions and was just simply reading the thread and noticed that it seemed people were using the horse's mindset as the focal point of their argument. it wasn't directed solely at one person. I made a joke towards you about always championing the inferior competitor (if that's the post that set you off and made you mad my apologizes. that was a very mild post and clearly joking). besides that I was being very serious in everything else, except the responses to you continuing the mj/LeBron joke. i don't see why you got so bent out of shape.
You quoted my as talking about how horses think multiple times, which I NEVER ONCE SAID OR EVEN ALLUDED TOO. Look, call me a pussy, I dont care. But you came in here doing your normal shite, and it pissed me off this time. You wanted to be a dick and make me mad, so be happy, you succeeded. Normally I laugh it off, but I got tired of your shite in this thread. So you win
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:06 pm to Fearthehat0307
quote:Because can I not talk about horses without you mentioning Lebron and hg mentioning Russel Wilson?
dude wtf are you talking about? I came in with no intentions and was just simply reading the thread and noticed that it seemed people were using the horse's mindset as the focal point of their argument. it wasn't directed solely at one person. I made a joke towards you about always championing the inferior competitor (if that's the post that set you off and made you mad my apologizes. that was a very mild post and clearly joking). besides that I was being very serious in everything else, except the responses to you continuing the mj/LeBron joke. i don't see why you got so bent out of shape.
I mean look, back and forth makes this board great. But at times it gets little out of control and makes it nauseating. 
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:07 pm to tigerpawl
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Not speculation.
And what makes the first two races times special, he set them after he broke last out of the gate.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:i made that one comment about championing the inferior competition. clearly a joke but let's see what followed
Because can I not talk about horses without you mentioning Lebron and hg mentioning Russel Wilson? I mean look, back and forth makes this board great. But at times it gets little out of control and makes it nauseating.
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Secretariat lost multiple horse races. AP is undefeated. It is all about winning right? So Secretariat is inferior according to you
then after i corrected you on AP being undefeated
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Ahh I see. Once he got a real Jockey he never lost. Still, his record is better than Big Red. So you think AP is better right?
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Yeh but losses
seems you're the one who kept it going. you really should be mad at yourself
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:10 pm to dnm3305
quote:And that little 115-pound intelligent life form on his back is just along for the ride?
Yea. The stupid horse knew he was going for the triple crown, and cared. He prlly knew exactly how long it had been since the last horse won it too.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:13 pm to Fearthehat0307
I kept it going yes because it wasn't a big deal. But you kept your troll shite up. Multiple times you responded towards me referencing shite I never said regarding horses and thinking. Then, at the same time, I had hg doing shite and multiple people asking me how I thought AP is the better horse after never saying that, it was just the perfect storm. It pissed me off. It isn't a big deal.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:13 pm to lsupride87
Secretariat was the GOAT, which is why I made sure that when he was turned into dog food I bought every available pound of it to feed to my Labrador.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:14 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Secretariat was actually buried with his whole body intact. Little known fact
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:14 pm to lsupride87
I still can't believe you think AP is a better horse than Secretariat.
It really is unbelievable.
It really is unbelievable.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:15 pm to Fearthehat0307
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if secretariat was at the race he would have gave him the stare as he crossed the finish line
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:15 pm to tigerpawl
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And that little 115-pound intelligent life form on his back is just along for the ride?
It depends, did AP really have to be pushed at any point?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
quote:again that wasn't a troll, i was being 100% serious. to me saying that the horse coasted and that secretariat was giving it his all even though he had a lead way bigger than AP's is pretty much saying you know the horse's mindset. you may disagree with that interpretation but it's how it sounds to me. so you have no one to be mad at but yourself
But you kept your troll shite up. Multiple times you responded towards me referencing shite I never said regarding horses and thinking
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