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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by Lou Pai
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:08 pm to
Yeah but modern day horses are better because they have gatorade and other PEDs.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:08 pm to
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I'm sure Secretariat's jockey was really riding him when he had a 31 length lead.
Have you read what the jockey has said about that race? He said Secretariat took the race out of his hands and ran as hard as he ever seen him run. He said he almost thought of slowing him down, but heard his breathing was fine so he let him go for it. That is what is so remarkable about Secretariat
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:08 pm to
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2. Secretariat somehow runs even faster because AP pushes him at some point(Not likely)


How is this not likely?

Pharoah would have made his arse quit? Sectretariat was the ultimate competitor with ice water in his veins. If American Pharoah was challanging him at the Belmont, he undoubtedly would have run a better race.

Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:09 pm to
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You're saying that a horse with one of the best times ever in a Belmont Stakes wasn't pushed?
Yes. He held a comfortable lead from the beginning, the horses that were expected to push the pace early never made their move. AP coasted.
Posted by boXerrumble
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:10 pm to
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If American Pharoah was challanging him at the Belmont, he undoubtedly would have run a better race.



Good lord
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:10 pm to
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How is this not likely?

Pharoah would have made his arse quit? Sectretariat was the ultimate competitor with ice water in his veins. If American Pharoah was challanging him at the Belmont, he undoubtedly would have run a better race.
Read my post about Secretariat above
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:10 pm to
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Good lord


What?
Posted by navy
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:11 pm to
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You're saying that a horse with one of the best times ever in a Belmont Stakes wasn't pushed?


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Yes. He held a comfortable lead from the beginning, the horses that were expected to push the pace early never made their move. AP coasted.



I admit that I am no horse racing expert ... but, it didn't look like Victor gave AP the whip until near the very end ... and not really that much.



I'm not sure how anyone could know how much AP had left in the tank, though.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:12 pm to
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Sectretariat was the ultimate competitor with ice water in his veins.


Clutch gene and killer instinct.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:13 pm to
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I'm not sure how anyone could know how much AP had left in the tank, though.
Having his last quarter being his 2nd fastest, and as fast as it was, makes it pretty obvious. Look if yall dont think I know what I am talking about, go look at what every horse racing analyst is saying of APs run
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:14 pm to
Didn't Secretariat have a heard 3x the size of the average horse's heart?
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:15 pm to
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I'm not sure how anyone could know how much AP had left in the tank, though


American Pharoah ran a faster last quarter than Secretariat. That should give at least a hint.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:15 pm to
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Yes. He held a comfortable lead from the beginning, the horses that were expected to push the pace early never made their move. AP coasted.
Doesn't Secretariat hold the all-time records for all 3 Triple Crown races?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:15 pm to
How do you know that Secretariat "undoubtedly" would've ran a better race?

Secretariat may or may not be the greatest horse ever (and I'm not gonna even get into that pissing match), but theres no guarantee hypothetically that he runs the same race on a different day. EDIT: Same applies to American Pharoah.

All we know for sure is that the race he ran THAT DAY was arguably the greatest race by a horse of all time.
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:15 pm to
OMG look how hard they are hitting those poor horsies!!!!
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:16 pm to
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American Pharoah ran a faster last quarter than Secretariat. That should give at least a hint.
How do you know Secretariat wasn't coasting at the end?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112689 posts
Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:16 pm to
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How do you know that Secretariat "undoubtedly" would've ran a better race?

Secretariat may or may not be the greatest horse ever (and I'm not gonna even get into that pissing match), but theres no guarantee hypothetically that he runs the same race on a different day. EDIT: Same applies to American Pharoah.

All we know for sure is that the race he ran THAT DAY was arguably the greatest race by a horse of all time.
Are you not agreeing with me?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:16 pm to
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How do you know Secretariat wasn't coasting at the end?
I trust his jockey
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:16 pm to
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Doesn't Secretariat hold the all-time records for all 3 Triple Crown races?
Yes
Posted by Fearthehat0307
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 2:17 pm to
are we seriously using arguments in here based on what we believe the horses were thinking? seems legit
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