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re: All you NIL worryers....
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:55 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:55 pm to BuckyCheese
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QB's make the most in the NFL as well...
An enlightening comment. I don’t think most people are aware of that.
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Posted on 7/3/21 at 1:58 pm to MarcusQuinn
quote:most players need to know that their greatest compensation is what they’re already getting. It’s room, board, and tuition at a lot of universities their peers would kill to go to
Life isn’t fair. I’m sure every player will be wise, understanding, accepting and will just try their darn best in spite of it.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:49 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
The money monopoly must be abolished
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:52 pm to tigerMike
quote:This will expedite the dissolution of the college sports framework and the eventual formation of the minor leagues for football and basketball.
What's gonna happen?
I am actually hoping that that happens and that it results in the ultimate failure and closure of a large number of “institutions of higher learning”.
A catastrophic change within the system is needed and I hope this is the catalyst.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 2:56 pm to LSUStar
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The money monopoly must be abolished
My guess is it will collapse in one form or another, it will take a bit yet though. The Titanic took a few hours to go down.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 3:11 pm to chalmetteowl
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most players need to know that their greatest compensation is what they’re already getting. It’s room, board, and tuition at a lot of universities their peers would kill to go to
LOL! imagine still believing this LIE in 2021
Billions upon billions of dollars generated annually in the college sports money machine, but man that dorm room and “college education” are priceless!
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:02 pm to GeauxFightingTigers1
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Without contracts they have no duty to perform.
Its about to turn into a horrible business.
They have no duty now. And the school has no duty to them anymore either.
You all want to walk off the field and lose your scholarships and all the benefits you enjoy because of a handful of guys being greedy? 1. You'll never get everyone on board for that and 2. They'll clean house. Good luck getting on board at another school worth a damn when they've seen you pull that shite.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:50 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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They have no duty now. And the school has no duty to them anymore either.
The scholarship can't be pulled for not playing, its not a service agreement. If they pull the scholarships for not playing, than what will happen is they will than be defined as "employees". Oppps.
The whole scam is built on the notion that these are not payments, but scholarships not based on "service".
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You all want to walk off the field and lose your scholarships and all the benefits you enjoy because of a handful of guys being greedy? 1. You'll never get everyone on board for that and 2. They'll clean house. Good luck getting on board at another school worth a damn when they've seen you pull that shite.
The college needs players, or there is no business... no way of paying for the liabilities, and they will be in breach of contract with other parties.
They can elect to not have a business, but businesses generally needs workers.... now they have long-term liabilities to pay plus the mega anti-trust suits will really be roaring now. $$$$$$$$
The schools are going to have to come up with lots of money, not playing the game is no longer an option.
The current business model is gone anyway.
National Association of College and University Attorneys July 2, 2021
National Collegiate Athletic Association v. Shawne Alston, et al.: Game Over for the NCAA’s Business Model?
What you are really saying is the schools would "black list" players so they can't get a scholarship at another schools if they refuse to play. That would most likely be further anti-trust violations at the federal and state level.
Exactly how many criminal act do you want the NCAA and its members to perform?
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 6:58 pm to ZIGG
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LOL! imagine still believing this LIE in 2021
Billions upon billions of dollars generated annually in the college sports money machine, but man that dorm room and “college education” are priceless!
Imagine Saban agreeing to room and board, plus "education".
The criminal schools are still running the scam, imagine calling these places "schools". Posted on 7/3/21 at 8:41 pm to tigerMike
I can already see it now, a 4 hour CBS broadcast with 1.5 hours of commercials and 2.5 hours of “ads” while trying to watch a football game
Posted on 7/3/21 at 8:44 pm to Fightin Okra
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Coaches and their huge salaries started this ball rolling. Higher expectations, new facilities, more fans at games, more money being made, more payroll, TV, shared profits, etc.
Schools will likely start losing out out endorsement deals. Companies are not going to pay a school if the star athlete is going to wear a different company’s apparel. It will be much more like professional sports. It actually will be professional sports.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 9:48 pm to tigerMike
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but it isn't going to change football/basketball that much.
College football, and especially college basketball, weren't "clean" before. This, more or less, legitimizes the payments, and I'm actually okay with that. However, it is just that one step further to a minor league sport.
The only true college sports remaining are the D-II and D-III leagues.
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:44 pm to BigTiger80
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College sports has been over for some time, but the realization will be quick over the next few years.
Wtf is this? If you’re a pussy idealist then maybe,I bet college football wasn’t dead for you in 2019 when LSU was pounding the frick outta everyone they saw.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 9:54 am to Tigerpride18
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Wtf is this? If you’re a pussy idealist then maybe,I bet college football wasn’t dead for you in 2019 when LSU was pounding the frick outta everyone they saw.
Big money college football (business model) as we know it is over in its present form, you should really consider reading in context of the thread. As far college sports isn't nothing but a scam, at least the big money ones.
You might want to consider getting off roids as well, you seem very angry.
- no salary cap
- ability to transfer almost at will
- no contracts (generally) in place to secure their labor
- mega antitrust liabilities on the horizon ($10s of billion is my guess)
- Congress will probably make it worse
I would suggest you read the paper from an attorney that works with the NCAA above. The business model is gone.
The schools sold their soul to greed long ago, the business model that was in place is dead.
This post was edited on 7/4/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/4/21 at 10:08 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
quote:That isn't surprising when you have the same business model from about 100 years ago.
the business model that was in place is dead.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 10:30 am to BeepNode
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I don't understand the mindset of people that are butthurt over this. If you are pro freedom then you should be 100% in favor of just letting players make money however they want. They're adults, for frick's sake.
Free loading isn’t a part of capitalism and over 99% of college athletes are freeloaders. You knew what being an amateur was all about. You don’t get paid in cash for your services. You don’t get to negotiate for your compensation for your services. When you signed that scholarship for your school, you know or at least knew what you were accepting. If you didn’t like the terms, you were free to sign with another school or not play that sport, or not attend any college.
One of the major appeals of college sports was the amateurism, hell it was arguably the biggest. And because of the diaper sniffing media white knighting and having an obvious need to create content and get views/clicks for advertising dollars, the fans of college sports have to deal with the decline of said sports.
Viewership is in the toilet and will continue to go down.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 10:36 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Free loading isn’t a part of capitalism and over 99% of college athletes are freeloaders.
When you are through firing on Fort Sumter again, keep in mind these players are going to be laughing all the way to the bank. And you still have to pay off your college loan.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 10:56 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Free loading isn’t a part of capitalism and over 99% of college athletes are freeloaders.
Colleges don't have to give scholarships, some don't, some sports don't, some conferences don't, and some divisions don't. Obviously, some colleges want to give scholarship, generally is it our business?
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You knew what being an amateur was all about.
That is a made up term.
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You don’t get paid in cash for your services. You don’t get to negotiate for your compensation for your services.
Anyone can negotiate for the compensation, the schools are free to not hire someone. What the schools should have been doing is colluding together in mass to stop the market.
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When you signed that scholarship for your school, you know or at least knew what you were accepting. If you didn’t like the terms, you were free to sign with another school or not play that sport, or not attend any college.
True, but the schools were/are involved in a monopoly. A school is free to do that, but not as a group. That's the problem.
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One of the major appeals of college sports was the amateurism, hell it was arguably the biggest.
No its not, and there is no real such thing as "amateurism", all that is made up terms... its a business. Very big business.
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And because of the diaper sniffing media white knighting and having an obvious need to create content and get views/clicks for advertising dollars, the fans of college sports have to deal with the decline of said sports.
The decline of college sports is more to do with the schools willingness to make it a huge business.
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Viewership is in the toilet and will continue to go down.
Probably so, but if its not a big business.. what's the problem? College sports can take place with no viewers... and most of the time does.
Really what you are saying is college sports is a huge business, that business is free to collude with all the other big businesses to stop wages from going up from $0. Than you are whining because if the wage go up past $0, the big business will lose viewers and money.
That's called a scam.
This post was edited on 7/4/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/4/21 at 11:23 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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, that business is free to collude with all the other big businesses to stop wages from going up from $0.
They might be the biggest businesses, but that doesn’t make them a monopoly as long as players have other options in every sport
Posted on 7/4/21 at 11:31 am to chalmetteowl
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They might be the biggest businesses, but that doesn’t make them a monopoly as long as players have other options in every sport
That isn't a definition in the antitrust law. Matter of fact, in various lawsuit(s) including the one reviewed last week before the Supreme Court... the NCAA agrees they enjoy a monopoly in this area of wage supression.
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Before us, as through much of the litigation below, some of the issues most frequently debated in antitrust litigation are uncontested. The parties do not challenge the district court’s definition of the relevant market. They do not contest that the NCAA enjoys monopoly (or, as it’s called on the buyer side, monopsony) control in that labor market such that it is capable of depressing wages below competitive levels and restricting the quantity of student-athlete labor. Nor does the NCAA dispute that its member schools compete fiercely for student-athletes but remain subject to NCAA-issued-and-enforced limits on what compensation they can offer. Put simply, this suit involves admitted horizontal price fixing in a market where the defendants exercise monopoly control.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-512_gfbh.pdf
A monopoly doesn't require 100% control, in general terms.
This is not something the NCAA can win.
This post was edited on 7/4/21 at 11:38 am
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