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re: All professional leagues should have a hard salary cap. No going above allowed at all
Posted on 10/24/24 at 11:54 am to thadcastle
Posted on 10/24/24 at 11:54 am to thadcastle
Im the opposite. No league should have any cap. This is what most NFL fans say due to the hard cap. Baseball has seen more parity than any league and it had no cap. Now they have instituted a bit you got Yankees and dodgers in the series
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 11:57 am to thadcastle
It should be a soft salary cap with equal revenue sharing like what the NBA has. That would really show who the cheap owners are compared to the owners willing to do what it takes to win.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:34 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:Its sports already are.
What’s your point? Do you think America should be communist/socialist?
Look at European soccer. It’s way more of a free market. Teams literally get kicked out of the league if they don’t perform and new teams move up. We could literally start our own team from nothing, and win our way all the way up to the Premier League.
You don’t have to follow trade stipulations where salaries must match. You don’t even have to trade anyone. Teams just work out deals to buy and sell players.
They even work out deals with teams in other leagues to loan out their young talent to them so they get playing time and experience.
Teams in completely different leagues play each other. Teams in lower “minor leagues” play the top league teams in open cup tournaments.
It’s so much more open than the American sports model.
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:55 pm to Jcorye1
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To be fair, I'd venture 90%+ of the population doesn't truly think in depth about their beliefs.
This is very true in my opinion and experience.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 2:05 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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It never stops amazing me how this website can be so vehemently pro-capitalism except when it comes to sports.
Then there'd be no point of ever being a fan of a small market team because you'll never be able to compete with teams in NYC, LA, Houston, Dallas, and Chicago that have 6-15x the size media market. If you want to go no salary cap, you might as well contract the league down to 10 teams because that's about the max number that will ever be able to realistically compete if it comes down to which team can spend the most money to buy all the top players.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 2:15 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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It never stops amazing me how this website can be so vehemently pro-capitalism except when it comes to sports.
They can see the harm that unfettered growth and chasing the dollar does there, but they can't connect the dots to the world outside of sports.
And ironically, Europe is the exact opposite. Their society is much more socialist than ours are with universal health care, higher taxes for the wealthy, generous welfare programs, and less income disparity yet their soccer leagues are much more capitalist than any of the professional American sports leagues.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 2:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Look at European soccer. It’s way more of a free market.
Yes, and look at the outcomes of European soccer leagues. They are all dominated by a handful of the richest teams. Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and ManU for the Premier League. Barcelona and Madrid for La Liga. Bayern Munich for the Bundesliga. PSG for Ligue 1. You more or less know which 2-3 teams have an actual shot at winning the title in each league before the season starts, every year. When Leicester came out of nowhere to win the Premier League a few years ago it was a major story because that sort of thing hardly ever happens. That should not be the model we want to follow.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 3:48 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:On the other hand, Europe as a whole is of similar size to the U.S., and all of those teams compete in the Champions League, which is extremely competitive.
Yes, and look at the outcomes of European soccer leagues. They are all dominated by a handful of the richest teams. Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and ManU for the Premier League. Barcelona and Madrid for La Liga. Bayern Munich for the Bundesliga. PSG for Ligue 1. You more or less know which 2-3 teams have an actual shot at winning the title in each league before the season starts, every year. When Leicester came out of nowhere to win the Premier League a few years ago it was a major story because that sort of thing hardly ever happens. That should not be the model we want to follow.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:05 pm to Dadren
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Real life is about individuals making their own choices to improve their lot in life….in other words, it’s reality.
The players and athletes probably feel the same way, don't you think?
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:18 pm to TripleBarrelBluff1
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The players and athletes probably feel the same way, don't you think?
I don’t particularly care about the feelings of a bunch of guys who are paid to play a game. In pro sports, the objective is to entertain and a pro league that lacks parity simply sucks to follow. If your league sucks, nobody gets paid.
If that’s a problem for them, they are free to leave their highly-paid world of doing what are frankly arbitrary activities dictated by an arbitrary set of rules for entertainment purposes and join the rest of us in the real world.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:29 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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We should want the playing field in a sports league leveled to the maximum extent possible in order to give all teams an equal chance to compete on the field.
in the last 20 seasons:
the league with no cap and no floor (MLB) has had the exact same number of different teams win a Championship as the league with the most stringent cap and floor (NFL)
since the last time MLB had a team win titles in back to back seasons:
NFL has had 2 teams do it, with a 3rd that did it at same time as last MLB team
NBA has had 4 teams do it.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:34 pm to Nutriaitch
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in the last 20 seasons: the league with no cap and no floor (MLB) has had the exact same number of different teams win a Championship as the league with the most stringent cap and floor (NFL)
since the last time MLB had a team win titles in back to back seasons: NFL has had 2 teams do it, with a 3rd that did it at same time as last MLB team NBA has had 4 teams do it.
Doesn’t MLB still impose a luxury tax once you start spending a certain amount?
Obviously not a cap but if so, there is a practical limit to how much a team can spend.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:31 pm to Dadren
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I don’t particularly care about the feelings of a bunch of guys who are paid to play a game
I don't know what you do, but as a generalization to illustrate, they probably don't care about the feelings of someone who pushes paper around in the oil and gas industry either. It goes both ways.
That's my point and what most here seem to miss.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:34 pm to thadcastle
You know that’s communism. I don’t understand how such conservative people are always wanting communism in sports.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:36 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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We should want the playing field in a sports league leveled to the maximum extent possible in order to give all teams an equal chance to compete on the field.
Now you’re talking about the same as participation trophies. This is hilarious. Maybe we should put a cap on how much money you can make at your job or how much your company can spend on all employees. The irony is off the charts.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:37 pm to thadcastle
nfl teams would be fricked, they have teams 30 mil over at a givewn time
Posted on 10/25/24 at 5:55 am to Hooch Is Crazy
Downvote all you want but it’s true.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 6:16 am to TripleBarrelBluff1
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they probably don't care about the feelings of someone who pushes paper around in the oil and gas industry either.
Probably not. And I’m not sure how that is relevant to your first post.
Your first post says, “you don’t want economic egalitarianism in the economy, why are people calling for it in pro sports”. That was the premise, correct?
The reason is because economic egalitarianism across teams gives a pro sport parity. Parity makes it interesting. The only reason it exists is to be interesting. The league’s product is “interesting competition”.
Nobody wants Exxon Mobile and Chevron to produce an “interesting competition”. We want them to refine oil into gas for the lowest price possible. So forcing economic egalitarianism would run counter to that objective.
I think what you’re overlooking here is that a sports league is basically one company, not an industry in and of itself. So the teams are more like departments that “work together” to create something interesting…a fair competition.
Saying “salary caps in sports is communism” is like saying “giving all the engineering teams at Exxon the same budget for headcount is communism”.
This post was edited on 10/25/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/25/24 at 8:44 am to Dadren
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The reason is because economic egalitarianism across teams gives a pro sport parity.
the league with the most stringent cap & floor and the league with absolute zero cap & floor has had the same number of different champs over the last 2 decades.
in the last 10 seasons
the league with no cap at all has crowned 9 different champions (after the World Series this year it will either remain 9/10 or be 8/10).
the league with a hard cap & floor has only crowned 7.
Half of the 20 teams to participate in the previous 10 world series (prior to this season) were not even top 10 payroll teams in the league.
having the cap doesn't create parity.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 9:23 am to Dadren
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The reason is because economic egalitarianism across teams gives a pro sport parity. Parity makes it interesting. The only reason it exists is to be interesting. The league’s product is “interesting competition”
This premise has been proven factually wrong in this thread by evidence of European soccer.
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