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re: Alabama going for 7 championships in 13 years (2009-2021)
Posted on 12/6/21 at 2:08 pm to bamabenny
Posted on 12/6/21 at 2:08 pm to bamabenny
Throw in a few things to spice it up:
This is in the scholarship limit era. Before a handful of teams stocked all the talent and had better practice squads than some P5 (not called that then) schools.
In the transfer portal era where kids often go one and done if they're not on the field.
In the NIL era where envy and jealousy over money introduces new challenges.
In the arms race era in the SEC where everyone is throwing money around like Mardi Gras Beads.
In the playoff era where you have to win two games against top 4 teams to win.
In the "hands off skill people" age where it's almost impossible to play defense. (Saban showed willingness and ability to adapt to keep up).
In other words, not only is Saban going for 7 in 13 years, he's doing it in the most challenging era to build a dynasty in history, similar to Belichik building a dynasty in the free agent/salary cap era in Pro Football.
Regardless of what you think of him, he's the best to ever do it.
This is in the scholarship limit era. Before a handful of teams stocked all the talent and had better practice squads than some P5 (not called that then) schools.
In the transfer portal era where kids often go one and done if they're not on the field.
In the NIL era where envy and jealousy over money introduces new challenges.
In the arms race era in the SEC where everyone is throwing money around like Mardi Gras Beads.
In the playoff era where you have to win two games against top 4 teams to win.
In the "hands off skill people" age where it's almost impossible to play defense. (Saban showed willingness and ability to adapt to keep up).
In other words, not only is Saban going for 7 in 13 years, he's doing it in the most challenging era to build a dynasty in history, similar to Belichik building a dynasty in the free agent/salary cap era in Pro Football.
Regardless of what you think of him, he's the best to ever do it.
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 3:13 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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In 5 of the 6 national championships of Bryant's Alabama was named national champion by the AP. The other Alabama was named national champion by the Coaches' Poll.
2 of them were split titles with teams that beat Alabama. 1973 Notre Dame was undefeated and beat you in the Sugar Bowl
and in 78 USC rolled into Birmingham and beat Bama by 10 but because they lost 2 weeks later Alabama jumped them. The only other one like that I can think of is Fla St ND in 93.
And as I mentioned earlier 1964 AP named Bama champ before the bowl, Bama lost their bowl, fine that was the “system” back then Bama wasn’t the only one to win titles and lose the bowl. But the next year the AP waits until after the bowls. Bama goes in #4 1 and 2 lost, Bama beats # 3. If they do it the same both years Bama has just 1. So on top of being very good Bama’s had an unbelievable amount of luck too,
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 3:17 pm to NorthEndZone
What's just as impressive is how close they've been in years where they didn't win. They made the playoffs in 2014, the championship game in 16 and 18 and without LSU going beast mode in 2019 they likely have a good chance that year also. On fact I'd argue they were the second best team in college football in 2019.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 3:24 pm to Dawgwithnoname
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This is in the scholarship limit era.
Scouting now is much more advanced plus with kids playing year round basically especially in the South they are better and there are fewer misses. Saban also misses far less than anyone else.
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n the transfer portal era where kids often go one and done if they're not on the field.
This will only help teams like Bama Ohio St. Saban said as much as a kind of warning before it was approved. How many Bama players hit the portal? Not many
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In the arms race era in the SEC where everyone is throwing money around like Mardi Gras Beads
And no one in the SEC has more to throw around.
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In the playoff era where you have to win two games against top 4 teams to win
This is one of those things that sounds harder but someone will do this every year. USC/FSU Miami all may have won titles if they got 2nd chances after a loss like Bama has
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In the "hands off skill people" age where it's almost impossible to play defense. (Saban showed willingness and ability to adapt to keep up).
This is one of the most amazing things and a huge credit to Saban for adapting at an age when almost no one does and after an incredible amount of success doing it his way. Mind blowing to me that his most successful assistants cough Kirby cough Jimbo haven’t figured this out and are trying to build like Bama circa 2009
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 3:33 pm to bamabenny
quote:They were probably saying the same thing in '79. Records are meant to be broken.
There will never be another run even close to this again in college football.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:08 pm to NorthEndZone
Certain fans think winning 2 titles in 14 years is a dynasty.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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2 of them were split titles with teams that beat Alabama. 1973 Notre Dame was undefeated and beat you in the Sugar Bowl
and in 78 USC rolled into Birmingham and beat Bama by 10 but because they lost 2 weeks later Alabama jumped them. The only other one like that I can think of is Fla St ND in 93.
And as I mentioned earlier 1964 AP named Bama champ before the bowl, Bama lost their bowl, fine that was the “system” back then Bama wasn’t the only one to win titles and lose the bowl. But the next year the AP waits until after the bowls. Bama goes in #4 1 and 2 lost, Bama beats # 3. If they do it the same both years Bama has just 1. So on top of being very good Bama’s had an unbelievable amount of luck too,
They've also had bad luck (1977 and especially 1966).
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:28 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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They've also had bad luck (1977 and especially 1966).
Not surprised someone mentioned these, I almost mentioned 66 when discussing 64/65. Frankly I don’t think they have a good case either year and if it is “bad luck” they’ve had way more good luck to balance it out.
1966 Notre Dame and Michigan St were 1-2 and tied each other. The case is simply that Bama was undefeated and they each had a tie but if you think 2 teams are better and they play and tie why should they drop?
1977 Bama was #3 going into the the bowls Notre Dame # 5. Bama beat the crap out of #9 tOSU but Notre Dame beat the crap out of undefeated #1 Texas #2 OU and #4 Michigan lost. Bama argument rests some on being ranked higher going in ans a better loss. But beating #1 has moved other teams up.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:33 pm to bamabenny
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There will never be another run even close to this again in college football.
What's impressive is the era Saban did it in. Having to recruit and actually play championship games. No more shady pollsters and conference tie ins to weak opponents in bowls. Or putting football players on baseball and basketball scholarships, or unlimited scholarships, etc. like other dynasties had.
We might see it again though. i think the NIL stuff and new transfer rules are going to bring more separation between the haves and have nots, similar to AAU basketball, you'll end up with a couple of elite teams and a bunch of lesser ones, so you actually might see another run like this to the detriment of college football.
Think about it, what is a championship team worth to a university and boosters? hundreds of millions? You think you could get the best 22 players in america to transfer to your school for $1 million each? Cost would be 22 million, add another 8 mill for the coach and youve got the best team in America for 30 million. You could triple that and its still a good investment for the right situation. Some boosters somewhere are going to step up soon and try to be the NY Yankees and money whip their way to championships with the new NIL and transfer rules.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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1966 Notre Dame and Michigan St were 1-2 and tied each other.
Alabama started the season ranked #1 and then dropped to #3 during a bye week. That's why people say it's bad luck. It's also bad luck that the AP went back to awarding their national championship BEFORE the bowls rather than after like they did the year before.
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Bama argument rests some on being ranked higher going in ans a better loss.
This and also beating the same team Notre Dame lost to (Ole Miss) by three touchdowns.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Not surprised someone mentioned these, I almost mentioned 66 when discussing 64/65. Frankly I don’t think they have a good case either year and if it is “bad luck” they’ve had way more good luck to balance it out.
1966 Notre Dame and Michigan St were 1-2 and tied each other. The case is simply that Bama was undefeated and they each had a tie but if you think 2 teams are better and they play and tie why should they drop?
1977 Bama was #3 going into the the bowls Notre Dame # 5. Bama beat the crap out of #9 tOSU but Notre Dame beat the crap out of undefeated #1 Texas #2 OU and #4 Michigan lost. Bama argument rests some on being ranked higher going in ans a better loss. But beating #1 has moved other teams up.
1966 Bama started the season ranked #1 and won every game. Mich St and ND basically played to tie each other.
In 77, Bama lost to a top 10 Nebraska team, ND lost to 5-6 Ole Miss.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:40 pm to RollTide1987
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Alabama started the season ranked #1 and then dropped to #3 during a bye week. That's why people say it's bad luck. It's also bad luck that the AP went back to awarding their national championship BEFORE the bowls rather than after like they did the year before.
Bama still would've been screwed unfortunately. ND was still avoiding bowls and Sparty couldn't since the Big 10 had a no repeat rule for the Rose Bowl.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 4:56 pm to RollTide1987
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That's why people say it's bad luck. It's also bad luck that the AP went back to awarding their national championship BEFORE the bowls rather than after like they did the year before.
Right, such terrible luck that for 1 year they changed and it benefits Bama and no one else. If they did it in 64 and went back in 65 you’d have zero instead of 2, so Bama is still way ahead in the luck department
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This and also beating the same team Notre Dame lost to (Ole Miss) by three touchdowns.
Ah the old quality of loss argument. How does this trump beating the #1 team in a bowl? And How can you keep a straight face and argue Bama was “unlucky” because they beat the team Notre Dame lost to in 77 when TWICE including once against ND and the very next year Bama splits titles over teams THAT BEAT BAMA
Still way ahead in the luck department. Want bad luck? Look at Auburn or even UGA. Plenty of teams have had years were they had a case like Bama in 66 or 77 very few if any have as many good luck years
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 5:03 pm to NorthEndZone
i knew from the moment he was hired at bama that he would go on a run like never seen before in college football
people are stupid for thinking it would never happen
people are stupid for thinking it would never happen
Posted on 12/6/21 at 5:14 pm to tiggah1981
I knew he'd win there, people said “Bama would never win” were stupid but I never imagined it would this bad
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:55 pm to NorthEndZone
So much parody. I really don't understand why anyone watches college football anymore outside of Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson and whatever other SEC team is hot that year.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 7:57 pm to Spelt it rong
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Agreed it's been rather frustrating
No it hasn’t
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Florida is the only other school to do it over two different formats (1 poll specific and 2 BCS).
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CGSC Lobotomy
What. An. IDIOT!!
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Right, such terrible luck that for 1 year they changed and it benefits Bama and no one else.
It didn't hurt Michigan State in '65. They still claimed a national championship via the Coaches Poll.
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Ah the old quality of loss argument. How does this trump beating the #1 team in a bowl?
Irrelevant.
There are multiple instances throughout the history of college football where #1 lost in their bowl game and the team that beat them wasn't named #1 as a direct result. The Coaches Poll didn't seem too impressed when #2 Alabama beat #1 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl the very next year.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:34 pm to YNWA
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really don't understand why anyone watches college football anymore outside of Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson and whatever other SEC team is hot that year.
Yeah I think the longer this run goes the worse it is for CFB. Saban’s early Bama teams were mostly guys from a 300 mile or so radius of campus. Now it’s just the UA all star team. The PAC 12 hasn’t been in the playoff since 2016, maybe it’s because Ca guys like Young and Harris and Tua from Hi went to Bama instead of Oregon or USC. I’ve been watch CFB since the 80s but didn’t watch down 1 of the playoffs last and probably won’t this year, especially if UGA-UM is at 8 on NYE
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