re: After Jordan’s first finals appearance, there WERE NO SWEEPS

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That’s an absolutely insane statement. You don’t know much about the 90’s Knicks and Pacers, do you?

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The Knicks who had Patrick Ewing and then John Starks as their second best player, CBA John Starks. That Knicks team?

And Pacers had Reggie Miller and who? What HOFer teammates did he have?

You think those teams compare to 2014 Spurs? Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Kawhi, Pop?

I grew up in MJ's era. That's how I know how much people romaticize the level of competition then.

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I guarantee you that Jordan, Bosh, and Wade wouldn’t have lost to the Mavericks.

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LOL Wade and Jordan are the same type players on both ends of the court, someone needs to occupy the facilitator role like LeBron did during that time with The Heatles D-Wade and Mike are too ball-dominant ball stops with them

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He may be the most physically talented person to ever lace em up, but he’ll never be the competitor, winner, and leader that MJ was.

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Where did MJ lead his teams when he didn't have Phil or Pip?

Oh yea. Nowhere.

Dude he shot 26% and scored 22 points in a crucial as frick game against Seattle In the finals

Your blanket statement is asinine and lazy

Why is it that everyone is so adamant that MJ is far and away the goat, yet EVERYONE is constantly having to validate that opinion?

The fact that there's 47 threads on here every day telling us why MJ is better than LBJ is telling.

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How many garbage teams did my take to the finals? ZERO. All the arguments you brilliant people make are about teams and not individuals. Ledouche is bigger, stronger, and faster. Only idiotic, mental slaves are unwilling to accept ledouche is better.

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Let's see, Lebron's playoff career:

Year 1 - no playoffs
Year 2 - no playoffs
Year 3 - out in 2nd round
Year 4 - swept in finals
Year 5 - out in conf finals
Year 6 - out in conf finals
Year 7 - out in 2nd round
Year 8 - lost to Mavs in the finals
Year 9 - finally wins a title

As opposed to MJ

Took his team to the playoffs in Year 1. Year 2 (broken foot/ no playoffs). Back to the playoffs in Year 3. Champion in Year 6

Taking this one step forward, since MJ had to go through a gauntlet of HOF to get to the finals which apparently makes up for playing significantly weaker finals competition. Looking at the championship seasons for both and the amount of HOF beaten:

Bulls 90-91 path:
Knicks - 2 (Cheeks and Ewing)
Sixers- 1 (Barkley)
Pistons - 3 (Rodman, Thomas, Dumars)
Lakers - 2 (Magic & Worthy)

Bulls 91-92 path:
Heat 0 HOF
Knicks 1 (Ewing)
Cavs 0
Blazers 1 (Clyde)

Bulls 92-93:
Hawks 1 (Nique)
Cavs 0
Knicks 1
Suns 1 (Barkley)

Bulls 95-96:
Heat 1 (Zo)
Knicks 1 (Ewing)
Magic 1 (Shaq)
Sonics 1 (Payton)

Bulls 96-97:
Bullets 0
Hawks 1 (Mutombo)
Heat 1 (Zo)
Jazz 2 (Stockton&Malone)

Bulls 97-98:
Nets 0
Hornets 0
Pacers 2 (Reggie and Mullin)
Jazz 2 (Stockton and Malone

Totals- 16 HOF through East. 9 in finals. 25 total. AVG HOF per year (6 title years)= 2.67 in East. 1.5 per Finals. 4.1 Total per year

Heat 2011-2012:

Knicks 1 (Melo)
Pacers 1 (Paul George)
Celtics 3 (KG, Allen, Pierce)
Thunder 3 (Harden, KD, Russ)

Heat 2012-2013:
Bucks 0
Bulls 1 (Butler)
Pacers 1 (PG)
Spurs 4 (TD, Kawhi, Parker, Manu)

Cavs 2016:
Pacers 1
Celtics 0
Raptors 0
Warriors 3 (Klay, Steph, Green)

Note: I used this link for the active players. LINK

Anyone considered 40-60% or greater was included as a HOF

Totals: Through East 8. Finals 10. Total 18. Averages per title run - 2.67/East. 3.33/Finals. 6/year total

TLDR FINAL COMPARISON

In MJ’s 6 title runs he played 2.67 HOF in the East per year. Lebron played 2.67 HOF per year in the East as well, during his 3 runs. Wash

MJ played 1.5 HOF/yr in the finals and 4.1/yr for the entire playoffs in his run. Lebron played 3.33 HOF/yr in the finals and 6/yr total for his runs.

Those are stats though. Not lazy assertions that MJ has a much tougher road daunted with HOF, based solely on assumptions. Not sure if that kind of thing interests you.

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Dude you just melted face of about half this board They will come back with a zany cool insult though

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It will likely be ignored. It’s quantifiable and verifiable data. It doesn’t have subjective buzzwords like “heart” or lazy conclusions without context like 6-0>>>3-6. Likely doesn’t belong on this board for that reason.

Lebron is 3-6 in finals. Leave MJ out of the discussion. Disrespectful to mention lebron with MJ

Jordan loses well before the finals with the Cavs roster this year.