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re: Adrian Peterson comes out against gay marriage
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:45 pm to inadaze
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:45 pm to inadaze
quote:
Isn't a pro-gay marriage opinion less discriminatory than and anti-gay marriage opinion?
Even if you were to argue that "beliefs" were being discriminated against, at this point, Peterson's belief in in the minority.
You can't reason with SFP. His subjective experience of reality is superior to yours
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:46 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Do you have a link showing where heterosexuals have a right to marry someone they love and homosexuals do not?
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is a time and place for shirtless pics of Ronaldo, and that's anytime and anywhere
Agreed. We are the two biggest fanboys on this board. Joey Barton is third.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
I don't know why people are having a difficult time with the concept.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:47 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
You can't reason with SFP. His subjective experience of reality is superior to yours
subjectivity? you mean like your subjective belief that one choice is "good" and one choice is "bad"?
i'm not making a value judgment, which is subjective. you are
your subjective valuation of each side is how you're framing this entire discussion
i haven't even made such a value judgment in this thread
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
I was referring to your foolishness in the thread the other day
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:48 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
You can put me on the fan board too. He is an incredible player, and one of my favorites.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:48 pm to mattz1122
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That's because you're a blithering idiot.
Or maybe you enjoy watching gay sex.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:49 pm to SabiDojo
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I don't know why people are having a difficult time with the concept.
subjective valuations and labeling one side/belief as "bad/evil"
that's what the 2nd meme i posted is all about. avoid honest debate by shading one side as a negative/lower value, therefore avoiding actual debate on the issue and scare away people who have differing opinions...which plays into the 1st meme i posted. we must all be tolerant...unless you disagree with me, and then i can be as intolerant as i want to (why? subjective valuation of a belief)
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I was referring to your foolishness in the thread the other day
which?
i can still bump the NYC/voting/choice thread on the poli board if you desire
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:50 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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which?
the 3,000th front runner thread
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i can still bump the NYC/voting/choice thread on the poli board if you desire
go right ahead, i still don't know why you care what New Yorkers do with their city so much
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we're going to boil this down to a binary argument, whichever side you pick is discriminatory towards the other side
that's the nature of choice. choice is a discriminatory behavior
Right, I already granted that.
Now, is there any way for you to argue that being anti-gay marriage is not more discriminatory than being pro-gay marriage?
Also, is there another way to look at this, besides it being a binary argument?
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:54 pm to inadaze
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is there any way for you to argue that being anti-gay marriage is not more discriminatory than being pro-gay marriage?
you can always mold the argument if you create a subjective valuation of either side. that applies to both, though
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Also, is there another way to look at this, besides it being a binary argument?
in this context? possible but unlikely (since the comment in question is simply not believing in something)
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can always mold the argument if you create a subjective valuation of either side. that applies to both, though
good god what a cop out, and you wonder why i have no respect for you as a poster
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:56 pm to inadaze
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Now, is there any way for you to argue that being anti-gay marriage is not more discriminatory than being pro-gay marriage?
The only way to be pro-gay marriage and not be discriminatory is to believe that every type of union imaginable can be considered marriage. The definition of marriage must change to allow homosexuals to marry and once it changes it must change to allow everything so as to be logically consistent.
A supporter of gay marriage must support every type of marriage or that person is no less discriminatory than an opponent of gay marriage.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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the 3,000th front runner thread
the one where you were against being for a top team while supporting a top team (given all the options), while proclaiming the validity of your choice in doing what you were against? that one?
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i still don't know why you care what New Yorkers do with their city so much
it's a good example of a mindset that i abhor, namely the belief that people cannot make their own choices (and if you remember, that thread was contrasting that belief with the belief that the very same people's votes, which are a choice, are somehow viewed as near-holy, rational decisions)
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you can always mold the argument if you create a subjective valuation of either side. that applies to both, though
Alright, so we have a binary argument, with each side having its own subjective value.
Anti-gay marriage people are discriminating against the act of marriage and the "belief" of the majority.
So objectively, it is the more discriminatory opinion/belief, in this instance. Right?
Posted on 5/27/13 at 12:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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and you wonder why i have no respect for you as a poster
ignorance of critically thinking and seeing a meta-view of the entire debate?
you're not an idiot, but you're emotionally invested in a belief system that you fail to critically examine
you either accept valuations presented by others, or you believe you're a god whose valuations are always correct. the billy beane of political theory, if you will
it's the same as the religious people you criticize (and funny enough, create the opposing view in this discussion typically)
Posted on 5/27/13 at 1:00 pm to weagle99
quote:
The only way to be pro-gay marriage and not be discriminatory is to believe that every type of union imaginable can be considered marriage. The definition of marriage must change to allow homosexuals to marry and once it changes it must change to allow everything so as to be logically consistent.
A supporter of gay marriage must support ever type of marriage or that person is no less discriminatory than an opponent of gay marriage.
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