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re: 4th and inches call decided the game
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:17 pm to RB10
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:17 pm to RB10
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If they call it an incomplete pass, and they have no angle of the ball that shows it’s clearly a catch, they wouldn’t overturn that either.
What if they have an angle that shows that it's clearly a catch but you can't prove that the thing that he caught is actually a football? What if it's a balloon that looks like a football?
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Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:18 pm to RB10
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I would say I cannot see them through the column, just like I cannot see the ball through a helmet.
I didn't ask if you could see through the column. I asked if you would know that he is behind the column.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:19 pm to LSBoosie
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What if they have an angle that shows that it's clearly a catch but you can't prove that the thing that he caught is actually a football? What if it's a balloon that looks like a football?
I get you’re mad that you can’t see the ball past the first down marker. You just can’t understand why they aren’t operating on assumption and probably.
Maybe just go to bed and try to understand tomorrow?
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:21 pm to LSBoosie
It’s wild how this multi billion dollar, richest sports league in the world, doesn’t employ better cameras and tech to accurately measure where the ball is
It’s 2025 and they still instead rely on a bunch of old guys, limited camera angles, and the chain gang
It’s 2025 and they still instead rely on a bunch of old guys, limited camera angles, and the chain gang
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:21 pm to LSBoosie
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I didn't ask if you could see through the column. I asked if you would know that he is behind the column.
In the context of this thread, that’s irrelevant. Because that’s not how NFL replay operates.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:24 pm to RB10
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In the context of this thread, that’s irrelevant. Because that’s not how NFL replay operates.
It's not irrelevant to this thread. In this thread you have said that there is now way to know if the football is being the Chiefs player's helmet. I'm responding directly to something that you said in this exact thread.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:25 pm to RB10
First of all as a Chiefs fan I'll say this....you guys are arguing about the wrong play. I don't think Allen got that 1st down BUT the guy in the flat on 3rd down did, McD should've challenged the 3rd down and the 4th wouldn't be necessary.
2nd....
No one is talking about the 3rd qtr when the refs screwed the Chiefs on back to back drives. Missed a facemask penalty that we would've got a FG on. The drive after that they missed an offsides penalty.
2nd....
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The Chiefs were given every advantage in this game and barely won.
No one is talking about the 3rd qtr when the refs screwed the Chiefs on back to back drives. Missed a facemask penalty that we would've got a FG on. The drive after that they missed an offsides penalty.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:26 pm to RB10
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I get you’re mad that you can’t see the ball past the first down marker.
No, in that screenshot the ball in past the line. You can see the ball. You are saying it doesn't count because there is no way to know if the brown leather thing that is seen in the photo is actually a football, which makes you sound dumb as frick.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:29 pm to LSBoosie
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It's not irrelevant to this thread. In this thread you have said that there is now way to know if the football is being the Chiefs player's helmet. I'm responding directly to something that you said in this exact thread.
I said there’s no way to know for sure, and there still isn’t.
You think it’s behind his head. It could be behind his head. It’s probably is behind his head. But it could be point to point in Allen’s arms in a ways that it’s not behind his head. We don’t know, because there’s nothing clear about the video or the picture.
That little bit of doubt is all it really takes. You still don’t understand that, which is fine. I remember some of our other interactions on this site and you usually are just utterly incapable of wrapping your head around a conflicting viewpoint to your own.
Sorry the call didn’t go your way.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:30 pm to LSBoosie
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No, in that screenshot the ball in past the line.
No it’s not.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:33 pm to bcoop199
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First of all as a Chiefs fan I'll say this....you guys are arguing about the wrong play. I don't think Allen got that 1st down BUT the guy in the flat on 3rd down did, McD should've challenged the 3rd down and the 4th wouldn't be necessary.
I thought he got it on 3rd down as well.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:33 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
He did get it. One Ref on the field, marked it as a first down in the guy whose a retired referee in the booth, said it was a first down. Beyond belief with all the technology available that the NFL can’t get these call's right
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:34 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
The bills retard version of the tush push is getting completely missed in all this
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:35 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
The Bills made the line to gain on 3rd down.
That horrendous spot just created the ridiculousness that ensued on 4th down.
That horrendous spot just created the ridiculousness that ensued on 4th down.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:37 pm to RB10
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I said there’s no way to know for sure, and there still isn’t.
I said "The ball is behind the Chiefs player's head."
You said "Is it? I don’t see it."
You also at one point said "I don’t see a brown thing" then switched to saying the there's now way to know if the brown thing is actually a football.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:40 pm to LSBoosie
He’s trying to explain how the call is actually made and you just keep somehow missing it. It doesn’t matter where you think the ball is, even if it’s logical to say it’s behind the helmet. It has to be clear and obvious on video to overturn
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:40 pm to LSBoosie
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You said "Is it? I don’t see it."
I still don’t actually see it. I just know that Allen is holding the ball and you’re circling Allen’s arms.
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You also at one point said "I don’t see a brown thing" then switched to saying the there's now way to know if the brown thing is actually a football.
I don’t see a brown thing. I just know Allen is holding a brown thing.
ETA: This is what is known as “confirmation bias”. Something you can’t seem to get past.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:41 pm to Ed Osteen
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He’s trying to explain how the call is actually made and you just keep somehow missing it. It doesn’t matter where you think the ball is, even if it’s logical to say it’s behind the helmet. It has to be clear and obvious on video to overturn
Thank you. He’s trying to argue semantics now for some reason.
“But you said you didn’t see what I think you said you saw.”
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:46 pm to Ed Osteen
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He’s trying to explain how the call is actually made and you just keep somehow missing it.
I know what he's saying. He's also just lying.
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It doesn’t matter where you think the ball is, even if it’s logical to say it’s behind the helmet. It has to be clear and obvious on video to overturn
I believe it's clear and obvious. The official referee consultant that is employed by the NFL and was on the broadcast agreed with me as well.
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:47 pm to RB10
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No one can say for sure if he got over the line. That’s why the call stood. Be mad that it was marked short all you want, but there definitely wasn’t enough to overturn it. I’m not going to say anyone who thinks he got the 1st is wrong, because no one knows if he did or not.
One issue is we put a ton of weight on the original call… when in this case the guy with vision got overruled by a guy who had zero line of sight
And then we require overwhelming proof of where the ball was in the pile to move it when the first guy never even saw it and made up a spot
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