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re: 49ers Fan Showing "Evidence" Of NFL Being Rigged!?

Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:24 pm to
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:24 pm to
Here's the thing:

I can totally get behind the idea of game fixing and point shaving in the college game. Why? Because we already know that players are taking money under the table and there have been several point shaving scandals over the years. Gambling is prevalent on college campuses and these athletes are not allowed to earn money so there is a motivation to do these things.

But the pros are a different animal.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:25 pm to
How come refs are not fined for making bad calls but players and coaches get fined for criticizing?

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:26 pm to
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2 PI calls...if that's it the refs had a pretty good game.

I thought Wilson had the 1st down early


And those are blown calls that happen all the time. By the way, none of those altered the course of the game...
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59473 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:26 pm to
I don't think it was fixe at all...but the "Seattle had more penalties" thing has flaws. Severity/timing of those penalties is big. You count Seattle's running into the kicker as a call against them. But blowing that and not calling the roughing led to 7 Seattle points.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:28 pm to
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How come refs are not fined for making bad calls but players and coaches get fined for criticizing?


Players aren't fined for making mistakes.

And you can't show that sort of insubordination. In rugby, for example, if you talk back to the ref you can be sent off.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:29 pm to
The fact of the matter is that there was no bias.

Losers blame the refs for their team's failure.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59473 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:31 pm to
No bias. But blown calls that affected the outcome of the game.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:33 pm to
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You are assuming I can't tell the difference between a bad call and manipulation.


No, I'm not assuming, I know you can't or more accurately choose not to.

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Did you see any bad calls or bad no calls in this year's Super Bowl?


I wasn't watching that closely. There was maybe a call I thought could have been PI, but that is purely subjective and wouldn't have affected the outcome.

In the BCS CG they missed a horse collar on FSU's last drive, would have helped FSU. It was because the ref had a bad angle. At that point FSU was not going to cover the spread and them winning the game outright would have been more beneficial so no reason the blow that call on purpose to fix the game.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5379 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:37 pm to
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Losers blame the refs for their team's failure.



Not true...There is nothing better than being on the right side of a rig
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:45 pm to
But that isn't failure, now is it?
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2435 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:49 pm to
I'm glad you posted the Pittsburgh/ san diego game from 2008. That game was the 3:00 national game and Vegas got absolutely destroyed earlier that day. Some people here say it was "just a blown call" have no clue. In the NFL they have this little thing called instant replay. The NFL likes to use it on scoring plays, but somehow determined that the Pitt touchdown should not be allowed.

For those who don't know, that play was the last play of the game. By disallowing that touchdown millions of dollars swung in Vegas' direction. If you remember, they did not post an official score for about 20 minutes. The game announcers sounded like they ate a shite sandwich because they could not explain it. This game was one of the greatest fixes in NFL history.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:54 pm to
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How come refs are not fined for making bad calls


how come players aren't fine for dropping passes? missing blocks? Hoe come coaches aren't fine for bad play calling?

However, refs are graded every game and can be fired if they are not competent and promoted for doing a good job. They also get rewards like working the playoffs and Super Bowl. Remember, these guys are part time officials. They have real jobs, most of they very good, well paying jobs on top of the six figures they get for being NFL refs. There is no incentive for the them to fix games.

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but players and coaches get fined for criticizing?


I would assume the league does not want players/coaches remarks to affect the ref. Fans bitch about officiating anyway, they probably don't want to add fuel to the fire.

Why do you assume refs don't make mistakes, ever? Have you never made a mistake at your job or in your life?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:56 pm to
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But the pros are a different animal.


exactly, even the refs make 6 figures for part time work. Why would anyone risk that for chump change? And if they made big bets, someone would notice. The people that take bets tend not to be flaming idiots or gullible.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98250 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:58 pm to
Whats a big bet to you?
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:00 pm to
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For those who don't know, that play was the last play of the game. By disallowing that touchdown millions of dollars swung in Vegas' direction


This is false. More money was bet on Pittsburgh than on SD. Pittsburgh was a 4.5 point favorite and won by 1 as a result of the blown call. So Vegas LOST a lot of money on that.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5379 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:03 pm to
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the refs make 6 figures for part time work


Enough said!
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2435 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:04 pm to
Here is a little jewel for all to enjoy LINK


That Rosenbloom enjoyed gambling on football seems beyond doubt. “I know he gambled on college games over the years, but I didn’t see that much when he bought the Colts,” Steve Rosenbloom said.

But Bell Jr. said he witnessed Rosenbloom placing a bet on the Colts.

“I walked into his room and he was on the phone and hollered to me, ‘Bertie, do you like us today?’ ” Bell Jr. said. “Then he said into the receiver, ‘Yeah, give me some of that.’ I just sauntered away.”

Bell walked away from the Colts at the end of that season. His father, who had died in 1959, was known as an anti-gambling commissioner.

“People thought I left because someone else was promoted to GM, but I could never have worked as a GM under Carroll,” Bell Jr. said. “I knew there would come a day when he would have asked me to do something illegal.”


Nothing to see here
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:05 pm to
LINK to support my post.

quote:

there might have been $10 million bet on the game statewide and many times more than that in illegal bets around the country... There was more money bet on Pittsburgh, he said, especially in parlay bets.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:05 pm to
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Whats a big bet to you?


To me? $100

To a casino, it would depend on the circumstances and the bettor. They notice unusual things, different betting patterns all kinds, large amounts, like over $10K perhaps maybe more, maybe less, depending on their handle. They would certainly notice something like multiple bets over that amount, especially if they always win and who really would have the discipline to make bets they know they are going to lose?
Posted by LSU92
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
2435 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:07 pm to
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More money was bet on Pittsburgh than on SD. Pittsburgh was a 4.5 point favorite and won by 1 as a result of the blown call


Exactly my point...if the touchdown holds like it should have , all the Pitt betters win. Final would have been 17 to 10 or 18 to 10. By disallowing it ....Pitt wins the game, but does not cover.
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