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re: 49ers Fan Showing "Evidence" Of NFL Being Rigged!?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
Exactly. Even if it was 90/10, $8 million across all the books is chump change.
The clusterfrick that was that play was a nice coincidence in a strange weekend in the NFL (loads of favorites failed to cover, there was a tie, etc), but that's all that it was.
The clusterfrick that was that play was a nice coincidence in a strange weekend in the NFL (loads of favorites failed to cover, there was a tie, etc), but that's all that it was.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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So answer this. If you were going to fix a game for the spread, how would you do it? Would you wait for the last play and just make a ruling nullifying a TD that would have blow the score in some bizarre fashion that might, you know, draw attention? I know I wouldn't.
You have to do that to throw people off your trail...
Plus, there is no way the SNF and MNF games could recoup losses. Oh wait, a home favorite lost on MNF that week? Why isn't that talked about as a fix?
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:43 pm to LSU92
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The league has modified their image since the old days, but they still are a hostage to Vegas and corporate dollars. Remember it is not sport ... it's "entertainment."
Wrong Football is sport, sport is entertainment, even if the outcome is determined by play on the field.
Wrestling is fake, everyone knows it and it is not illegal, they make billions, so there is no reason what so ever to claim the games not fixed, when they are, that would be fraud. There is no way they could cover that up, for this long and no reason to. They can (and do) make billions, so it is not worth the risk. You guys sound like Dr Evil, concocting elaborate, stupid plans to make money, when you can make more just running a business
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:45 pm to Sophandros
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Exactly. Even if it was 90/10, $8 million across all the books is chump change
It's so much bigger than this. The NFL product is gambled on worldwide. More importantly is all the local gambling. Casinos don't make money on this, but it keeps millions of eyes on the tv watching their product.
If you remove the gambling interest, nobody would want to watch the Bengals and Browns on Monday night football. Fantasy football(another form of private gambling) keeps viewers tuned in.
Gambling and fantasy drives the viewership of the NFL.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:49 pm to LSU92
People already watched that game. And all the others.
Hell, you'd have had a better argument from earlier that same Sunday when Donovan McNabb claimed that he didn't know the overtime rules...Yes, that was one of the 1pm games that day in which the favored team failed to cover.
Hell, you'd have had a better argument from earlier that same Sunday when Donovan McNabb claimed that he didn't know the overtime rules...Yes, that was one of the 1pm games that day in which the favored team failed to cover.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:51 pm to LSU92
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And...how bout dem Patriots winning the Super Bowl just months after 911...whew thank God someone created the tuck rule to save their arse.
and who was responsible for Adam Vinateri making 2 FG's in a driving snow storm? Did they have some one take out Drew Bledsoe on purpose because they knew Brady would be one of the all time greats?
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Did you really think the Giants would lose the first game back in NY following 911. FTR...the Saints played them. Joe Horn caught the game winner, but about 40 flags were thrown to make sure it did not happen.
Why did they let the Jets and Redskins lose their first games after 9-11 then? The Giants won 21-13, to tie the game the Saints would have had to make a 2pt conversion, those are successful less than 50% of the time. Again, if they were fixing it, why would they let it be that close?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:53 pm to LSU92
By the way, how is "fixing" a game by making a bad call going to entice more people to watch?
What you're saying is that people watch because they bet. So if they are already gambling and watching, what's the incentive to fix the games?
What you're saying is that people watch because they bet. So if they are already gambling and watching, what's the incentive to fix the games?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
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they make billions, so there is no reason what so ever to claim the games not fixed, when they are, that would be fraud. There is no way they could cover that up, for this long and no reason to. They can (and do) make billions, so it is not worth the risk
They are not doing anything illegal by "wanting to have a desire to have competitive games." Just remember this ... everything in the NFL is controlled by the officials.
The NFL does not tell Manning to throw int's to Tracy Porter.
Officials are where the games are influenced.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:57 pm to LSU92
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Gambling and fantasy drives the viewership of the NFL.
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If you remove the gambling interest, nobody would want to watch the Bengals and Browns on Monday night football
It certainly helps, still no reason to "fix" the games. People would not bet if they thought it was fixed, and the Feds would also frown upon that, so actually there is way more incentive to make sure the games are honest, glad you proved my point
Books lost money in 2012, if Vegas lost money its fair to assume the off shore and illegal books did as well, I suppose you are going to tell me they did that on purpose?
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:57 pm to LSU92
If the NFL is making money from people watching games because those people bet on games, what is their motivation to fix games?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 11:57 pm to LSU92
Influenced =/= Rigged
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:05 am to Sophandros
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What you're saying is that people watch because they bet. So if they are already gambling and watching, what's the incentive to fix the games?
They don't really "fix" games because they always want a particular team to win. The primary reason to "influence games" is a desire to have competitive games. The unfortunate part with that is team A with the 21-3 2nd quarter lead will get hit with the holding penality to negate the 22 yard gain and the 1st down.
21 to 3 game is bad for everyone. Most likely the favorite is winning big anyway. The holding penality helps Jacksonville plus 14. Lets face it, bettors are not taking Jacksonville against Denver. The bettor is betting Denver or not betting. Even Vegas can't balance the books in every game.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:08 am to LSU92
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hey are not doing anything illegal by "wanting to have a desire to have competitive games
of course not and its not costing them any if individual games aren't competitive. This SB was a snooze fest and it will still be by far the most watched TV show of the year.
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Officials are where the games are influenced.
sure if you wanted to fix games, refs would make the most sense, but if the do get refs to influence outcomes that would be illegal and makes no sense given the billions at stake and if the league has no say, then its just rouge refs and hence no conspiracy.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:08 am to LSU92
So now you're changing your argument.
The NFL suddenly doesn't care about the gambling interest?
Or how about this: that holding penalty happened because a player held. No other motive.
The NFL suddenly doesn't care about the gambling interest?
Or how about this: that holding penalty happened because a player held. No other motive.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:12 am to H-Town Tiger
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The rating for the entire 2011 season on CBS were the highest of any TV package that year,
He just made my point again
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:13 am to Sophandros
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The NFL suddenly doesn't care about the gambling interest
They do have an interest. 21 to3 game and the spread is 11.5. That meaningless garbage touchdown to make it a 21 to 10 score is what keeps people watching.
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Or how about this: that holding penalty happened because a player held. No other motive.
Everyone says you can call holding on every play...so why don't they?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:15 am to Placebeaux
I don't think it's rigged, but there's no excuse for such poor officiating in the NFL ever, much less the NFC championship game.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to LSU92
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They don't really "fix" games because they always want a particular team to win. The primary reason to "influence games" is a desire to have competitive games.
that's fixing the games
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A with the 21-3 2nd quarter lead will get hit with the holding penality to negate the 22 yard gain and the 1st down.
21 to 3 game is bad for everyone.
Clearly they want competitive games, but blow outs do not cost them money. In another post i posted a link that in 2011 CBS had the highest ratings for any CFB package that year. Most of those games were blowouts. I think LSU was on there 5 times, only the Bama game was closer than 4 TD's. The outcome of any 1 game does not affect the bottom line in any way, shape or form, so there is no reason the "influence" refs to flag holding on a long gain. They just had a 35 point beat down in the biggest game. Is that what they wanted? Of course not, but it makes the same amount of money regardless.
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bettors are not taking Jacksonville against Denver. The bettor is betting Denver or not betting. Even Vegas can't balance the books in every game.
That's why it was one of the biggest spreads of all time. See my link above, Vegas took a bath on the NFL in 2012. That might cost some sports book manager his job, but doesn't really hurt the overall casino. sports books are a small fraction of sports book revenue anyway.
This post was edited on 2/5/14 at 12:22 am
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to LSU92
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Officials are where the games are influenced
The part time job that pays 6 figures!
Posted on 2/5/14 at 12:17 am to LSU92
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Everyone says you can call holding on every play...so why don't they?
Because the games would be 5 hours long.
The league ensures competitive games by having a salary cap and restrictions on player movement, not by having the refs dictate who stays close or who gets a blowout.
I think that you vastly underrate everything that an official does on a play if you think he has time to think about keeping the score close.
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