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re: 49ers Fan Showing "Evidence" Of NFL Being Rigged!?

Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:58 pm to
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 9:58 pm to
How about this...What would it take for you to question things?

If game footage of actual Manipulations isn't enough.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:04 pm to
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You can call it bad officiating. ..I will call it manipulation.


I and will call you the Tooth Fairy, doesn't mean you are.

You conspiracy nut jobs always miss some very important factors. First there is far more to lose than gain by having the league fix the entire league. A rouge ref or player shaving points from time to time is not proof that the entire league outcome is "fixed".
Next, the people that take bets tend not to be morons. There was a total of around $100M bet in Las Vegas on the super bowl. anyone betting large amounts would draw attention. If you were fixing a game would you do for $10,000 grand? Me either. So it would be noticed.
Lastly, the people that have fixed games for betting purposes generally get caught. Like the NBA ref, the various CBB scandals. Someone would notice.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:07 pm to
The NBA ref was caught by accident. ..on a totally unrelated case.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:07 pm to
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How about this...What would it take for you to question things?



I question things all the time, which is why I rely on evidence and logic to make judgements and statements.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:09 pm to
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Someone would notice. 


A lot of people notice...but you call them conspiracy nuts!
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:10 pm to
What evidence would it take? Give an example if you don't mind
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:10 pm to
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If game footage of actual Manipulations isn't enough.


You don't have any game footage of actual manipulations,, you have bad calls. You want to believe bad calls don't happen because you want to believe its fixed, its called confirmation bias. In every other aspect of human life, mistakes happen. But you think they can't possibly happen in sports because that doesn't fit your narrative.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:12 pm to
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The NBA ref was caught by accident. ..on a totally unrelated case.


No, he wasn't totally unrelated. The FBI was investigating organized crime, which is often involved in betting on games. Some of the games that were fishy were Donaghy's, and they drilled down further.

Not an accident, but something that the authorities do all the time.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:13 pm to
You say it's just bad calls because it fits your narrative.

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:16 pm to
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What evidence would it take? Give an example if you don't mind



A Tim Donaghy in the NFL. Or a Hot Rod Williams in the NFL.

Basically, I would like to see someone getting busted for manipulating games as an example. If it's so obvious that this manipulation is happening, then why isn't anyone doing anything about it? Is the FBI on the take too?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:16 pm to
Ppl bet six figures all the time in Vegas.

That doesnt draw attention
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:17 pm to
You are assuming I can't tell the difference between a bad call and manipulation.

Let me ask you this...Did you see any bad calls or bad no calls in this year's Super Bowl?
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:17 pm to
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You say it's just bad calls because it fits your narrative.



yes. The narrative of fact-based and logical conversation.
Posted by Sophandros
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Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:19 pm to
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Did you see any bad calls or bad no calls in this year's Super Bowl?



Yes. At least two missed PI calls.

Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:19 pm to
It's not going to happen because a judge ruled out is perfectly okay to manipulate outcomes...like WWE.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:19 pm to
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Someone would notice. 


A lot of people notice...but you call them conspiracy nuts!


Some legal authority would notice.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:20 pm to
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It's not going to happen because a judge ruled out is perfectly okay to manipulate outcomes...like WWE.


LOL WUT
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59283 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:20 pm to
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You say it's just bad calls because it fits your narrative


I don't have a narrative. I say they are bad calls because humans make mistakes all the time, why would sports officials be different unless you want to believe they are fixing games.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5358 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:21 pm to
2 PI calls...if that's it the refs had a pretty good game.

I thought Wilson had the 1st down early
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38161 posts
Posted on 2/4/14 at 10:22 pm to
I love the irony of 49'ers fans whining about officiating with regard to a game that occurred a week after they "beat" Carolina.
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