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re: 23 yrs ago today greatest MLB pitcher of all-time
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:31 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:31 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Now that guy was fun to watch.
How fricking old are you?>
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:33 am to okietiger
Where did you get that list? B-ref has Ryan 20th in WAR:
ank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers Throws
1. Cy Young+ (22) 170.3 R
2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 152.3 R
3. Roger Clemens (24) 139.4 R
4. Pete Alexander+ (20) 117.0 R
5. Kid Nichols+ (15) 116.6 R
6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 109.9 L
7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.3 R
8. Greg Maddux (23) 104.6 R
9. Randy Johnson (22) 104.3 L
10. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.4 R
11. Bert Blyleven+ (22) 96.5 R
12. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 95.3 R
13. Gaylord Perry+ (22) 93.7 R
14. Warren Spahn+ (21) 92.6 L
15. Tim Keefe+ (14) 88.9 R
16. Eddie Plank+ (17) 86.5 L
17. Pedro Martinez (18) 86.0 R
18. John Clarkson+ (12) 85.7 R
19. Steve Carlton+ (24) 84.1 L
20. Nolan Ryan+ (27) 83.8 R
ank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers Throws
1. Cy Young+ (22) 170.3 R
2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 152.3 R
3. Roger Clemens (24) 139.4 R
4. Pete Alexander+ (20) 117.0 R
5. Kid Nichols+ (15) 116.6 R
6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 109.9 L
7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.3 R
8. Greg Maddux (23) 104.6 R
9. Randy Johnson (22) 104.3 L
10. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.4 R
11. Bert Blyleven+ (22) 96.5 R
12. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 95.3 R
13. Gaylord Perry+ (22) 93.7 R
14. Warren Spahn+ (21) 92.6 L
15. Tim Keefe+ (14) 88.9 R
16. Eddie Plank+ (17) 86.5 L
17. Pedro Martinez (18) 86.0 R
18. John Clarkson+ (12) 85.7 R
19. Steve Carlton+ (24) 84.1 L
20. Nolan Ryan+ (27) 83.8 R
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:33 am to Srbtiger06
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Yeah. Maybe not top 10 depending on how you value guys...but at least he's gotta be close.
I'm not sure he is in the top 20.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:34 am to okietiger
Can we all agree he was a top 25 All-Time pitcher, with a higher ceiling on certain days than most?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:35 am to Baloo
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Where did you get that list? B-ref has Ryan 20th in WAR:
That was from Fangraphs I believe.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:37 am to The Seaward
Another reason WAR sucks. Look at the high degree of variance in the values. People have NO IDEA how to rate defense.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:39 am to Baloo
if Cy Young in his prime had to pitch from 1997-2005, I wonder what his numbers would be like?
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:40 am to Pilot Tiger
Who the hell knows? What would Ryan's numbers look like in 1900?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:41 am to Baloo
quote:the world would divide by zero
What would Ryan's numbers look like in 1900?
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:42 am to Baloo
I think Fangraphs uses FIP, while BR uses runs allowed.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:48 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I dont think i trust any list without Koufax and Gibson.
It is a list of career WAR. Koufax sure as heck didn't pitch long enough. Gibson only pitched 17 years, which is a long time, but I think most of those guys will be 20+.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:49 am to Baloo
It's from Fangraphs
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:49 am to Srbtiger06
Gibson is definitely my answer if I could have any pitcher throughout all of history pitch one game with my life at stake. And Rivera in the pen...
Posted on 6/11/13 at 10:58 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Being a better pitcher isnt all about K's. Nolan had a much better headlock and right hook than Johnson.
I definitely wouldn't charge him at the mound.
Plus, he's still got it (3 years ago)
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:01 am to Baloo
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Gibson is definitely my answer if I could have any pitcher throughout all of history pitch one game with my life at stake. And Rivera in the pen..
Bob Gibson is the baddest motherfricker to ever toe the rubber. That guy wasn't afraid of anything. He imposed his will on the entire game.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:06 am to Baloo
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But Randy Johnson didn't throw 6 no hitters....
he said greatest pitcher, not greatest mullet.
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:08 am to LoveThatMoney
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Bob Gibson is the baddest motherfricker to ever toe the rubber. That guy wasn't afraid of anything. He imposed his will on the entire game.
Still not as good as Warren Spahn. Greatest left-handed pitcher of all time with 364 career wins and missed three years to WW2. BTW, Spahn was also a badass who got a battlefield commission to 2nd LT during the Battle of the Bulge.
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:08 am to PortCityTiger24
quote:If you don't take off points for juicing, Roger has to be in the conversation.
Career, mad dog
Prime, give me Pedro
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:10 am to The Seaward
quote:
Well both really, but I did mean 1999. I think 99 was more dominant, only reason for a slightly higher ERA was a hundred point higher BABIP.
I also would take 99 Pedro
Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:12 am to LSUnowhas2
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Still not as good as Warren Spahn.
Ryan might be the most overrated, Spahn is the most underrated.
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