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re: 2025 NASCAR Season Thread - 2025-26 Offseason
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:21 pm to AHM21
Posted on 11/2/25 at 8:21 pm to AHM21
How about Logano last year he somehow squeaked in the final 4 and won it. Wasn’t deserving.
Thats Nascar now, an empty racing series. The owners sold out the fans for dollars. In fact they admitted the ratings would decease at least 15% when they took 5 races to Prime (but was actually more than 25% loss) all for the dollar. That tells you everything. Money over fans and future be damned.
Sport is on its last legs. As viewers go down sponsors will be harder to get and money starts to dry up. Next renewals will get less money.
Thats Nascar now, an empty racing series. The owners sold out the fans for dollars. In fact they admitted the ratings would decease at least 15% when they took 5 races to Prime (but was actually more than 25% loss) all for the dollar. That tells you everything. Money over fans and future be damned.
Sport is on its last legs. As viewers go down sponsors will be harder to get and money starts to dry up. Next renewals will get less money.
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:16 pm to InkStainedWretch
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:27 pm to prostyleoffensetime
I’m a Larson fan, so I can’t lie and say I didn’t enjoy the ending, but… As soon as they showed Denny’s face… goddamn. It’s just not right to decide a champ that way.
If Saturday night (and almost Friday) wasn’t the nail in the coffin, this has to be. If the mood isn’t celebratory after your championship, you’re doing something wrong.
And gtfo with 32/4 or the 10 race chase. 36 or bust.
If Saturday night (and almost Friday) wasn’t the nail in the coffin, this has to be. If the mood isn’t celebratory after your championship, you’re doing something wrong.
And gtfo with 32/4 or the 10 race chase. 36 or bust.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:33 pm to prostyleoffensetime
OK Bell would have been the champion under the old Bob Latford point system that paid 175 base points to the winner, but if they used the current point setup of 40 finish points to the winner and then bonus points for stages, etc., it would have been Larson by 16 over Bell, 19 over Byron, 27 over Blaney, 84 over Elliott, 95 over Hamlin, 99 over Briscoe, 143 over Reddick, 213 over Logano and 282 over Chastain.
I’m for going back to a full-season points race but I’m not for going back to the Latford format. It didn’t prioritize winning and was set up to benefit the McDuffies, Hyltons, Arringtons, etc.
I’m for going back to a full-season points race but I’m not for going back to the Latford format. It didn’t prioritize winning and was set up to benefit the McDuffies, Hyltons, Arringtons, etc.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:36 pm to InkStainedWretch
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it would have been Larson by 16 over Bell, 19 over Byron, 27 over Blaney
In other words, would have been a great title chase without all the bullshite
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:37 pm to Cliff Booth
Yessir
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:39 pm to InkStainedWretch
How the hell did Brad K lose the race today?
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:43 pm to Cliff Booth
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I’m a Larson fan, so I can’t lie and say I didn’t enjoy the ending, but… As soon as they showed Denny’s face… goddamn. It’s just not right to decide a champ that way. If Saturday night (and almost Friday) wasn’t the nail in the coffin, this has to be. If the mood isn’t celebratory after your championship, you’re doing something wrong. And gtfo with 32/4 or the 10 race chase. 36 or bust
All of this. Felt the same way. NASCAR has been stepping on their own dick for years. The series is on life support
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:55 pm to InkStainedWretch
McDuffie and Arrington were never serious title contenders.
I'd like to see NASCAR adopt the 1980s CART points system, get rid of stage points, and go to a full-season title format.
I might consider giving points to the top ten at half-distance. Maybe.
I'd like to see NASCAR adopt the 1980s CART points system, get rid of stage points, and go to a full-season title format.
I might consider giving points to the top ten at half-distance. Maybe.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 9:59 pm to FightinTigersDammit
A race isn’t official until halfway. Why give points at some arbitrary number that’s less than halfway?
Halfway points to the top ten should replace stage points.
Halfway points to the top ten should replace stage points.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:01 pm to MikeHoncho47
Exactly. Eleminate stage points, give a small amount of points at half-distance, say 10-9-8-7,etc. for the top ten.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:49 pm to InkStainedWretch
Trying to look at other points systems and who would be winner is flawed.
Drivers raced differently depending on where they were in chase standings. Leading up to chase trying to score stage wins or points. And likewise once eliminated many go to experimental for next year. Drivers don’t race the same under current points.
I think we would have had a good championship under older system. All you saw today was focus on 4 drivers. Thats not good for sponsors of other 36. Nascar tried to be football but its a different sport.
Chase is a disaster. How many viewers do they lose during chase as drivers eliminated. At least under old system all teams got coverage. No system is perfect but chase is bad.
Drivers raced differently depending on where they were in chase standings. Leading up to chase trying to score stage wins or points. And likewise once eliminated many go to experimental for next year. Drivers don’t race the same under current points.
I think we would have had a good championship under older system. All you saw today was focus on 4 drivers. Thats not good for sponsors of other 36. Nascar tried to be football but its a different sport.
Chase is a disaster. How many viewers do they lose during chase as drivers eliminated. At least under old system all teams got coverage. No system is perfect but chase is bad.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:54 pm to FightinTigersDammit
No McDuffie and Arrington weren't title contenders but J.D. had six top-15 finishes in the points and Buddy had eight top-15 finishes including a couple of times in the top 10 in that old format, which netted them some much-needed extra cash from the end-of-the-year points payoff.
The Bob Latford (longtime racing PR guy, great guy) format prioritized running and being running at the finish of every race, which helped the "struggling independent" types.
I just checked again and Junie Donlavey's independent team had 10 top-15 finishes in the points with that format, including a fifth place one year when his driver, Jody Ridley, led a whopping 28 laps in 30 races.
The Bob Latford (longtime racing PR guy, great guy) format prioritized running and being running at the finish of every race, which helped the "struggling independent" types.
I just checked again and Junie Donlavey's independent team had 10 top-15 finishes in the points with that format, including a fifth place one year when his driver, Jody Ridley, led a whopping 28 laps in 30 races.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:54 pm to InkStainedWretch
Imagine telling someone in February that "Kyle Larson is going to score the most points all year and win the Cup championship but the circumstances are going to make it seem like it was a fluke and he fell arse backwards into it"
You couldn't tell a lie that good.
You couldn't tell a lie that good.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 10:58 pm to SPEEDY
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How the hell did Brad K lose the race today?
Its like the other cars hit a nitro button in last 2 corners
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Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:16 pm to OU Guy
I used to watch every race. Totally forgot the finale was today until late tonight, so watched the YouTube highlights.
Looks like Denny’s crew chief lost it for him with the choice to take 4 tires instead of 2 like Larson.
Looks like Denny’s crew chief lost it for him with the choice to take 4 tires instead of 2 like Larson.
Posted on 11/2/25 at 11:25 pm to Twenty 49
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Looks like Denny’s crew chief lost it for him with the choice to take 4 tires instead of 2 like Larson.
Yeah. With him having the #1 pit stall it made the decision even worst. They got to see what the 5 did before making their choice
Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:21 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I saw some quotes from Hamlin’s crew chief who still insists taking 4 tires was the right call. It really sounds like he thought the 11 was so dominant that he was going to get on the inside and reel everyone in with no trouble and taking 4 tires would just seal the deal. But that’s an awful big risk for GWC on a bandbox like Phoenix where you don’t have much time or track to work with, and sure enough Hamlin didn’t get the inside run he wanted and was fricked.
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Posted on 11/3/25 at 8:37 am to InkStainedWretch
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saw some quotes from Hamlin’s crew chief who still insists taking 4 tires was the right call. It really sounds like he thought the 11 was so dominant that he was going to get on the inside and reel everyone in with no trouble and taking 4 tires would just seal the deal. But that’s an awful big risk for GWC on a bandbox like Phoenix where you don’t have much time or track to work with, and sure enough Hamlin didn’t get the inside run he wanted and was fricked.
Hamlin said in his TV interview after the race that he also thought that 4 tires was the correct call. He seemed to indicate that what might’ve been unexpected was how many cars only took 2 tires. There were simply too many in his way with only a couple of laps to try to pass all of them.
Posted on 11/3/25 at 9:21 am to InkStainedWretch
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OK Bell would have been the champion under the old Bob Latford point system that paid 175 base points to the winner, but if they used the current point setup of 40 finish points to the winner and then bonus points for stages, etc., it would have been Larson by 16 over Bell, 19 over Byron, 27 over Blaney, 84 over Elliott, 95 over Hamlin, 99 over Briscoe, 143 over Reddick, 213 over Logano and 282 over Chastain.
I’m for going back to a full-season points race but I’m not for going back to the Latford format. It didn’t prioritize winning and was set up to benefit the McDuffies, Hyltons, Arringtons, etc.
Ah, I see what you were asking. Yeah, I'm cool either way on how they reward points. I just know this dumb arse playoff system needs to be demolished and buried.
They wanted to "create multiple Game 7 moments" throughout the last 1/3 of the season, but it's been a failure. It's created a handful of hail mary/buzzer beater/walk off HR to make the playoffs moments, but it's been a disaster otherwise.
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