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re: 2024 NASCAR Season Thread - 2024-25 Offseason
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:29 pm to MikeHoncho47
Posted on 9/17/24 at 3:29 pm to MikeHoncho47
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 4:55 pm to MikeHoncho47
I think Corey is out of seat after this year. Problem is due to how money is divvied up the back-markers teams need them to get as high as possible. So they wreck drivers to get higher to help their sponsors. Unless nascar policies the wreckless drivers it won’t change.
Old days it was handled but back-markers had more respect too. They had to earn respect to get equal treatment and eventually a seat at good team. Its just so different now. Gone is any respect and nascar allowed it happen. They thrive on wrecks so a fan can only hope his driver survives. Thats another thing chasing them away and the newer fans are not as loyal followers of the sport.
Old days it was handled but back-markers had more respect too. They had to earn respect to get equal treatment and eventually a seat at good team. Its just so different now. Gone is any respect and nascar allowed it happen. They thrive on wrecks so a fan can only hope his driver survives. Thats another thing chasing them away and the newer fans are not as loyal followers of the sport.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:08 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
23XI announces multi-year extension with Bubba.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:41 pm to OU Guy
Aren’t there rumors of him joining Rick Ware Racing?
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:23 pm to Undertow
There are. I don’t get that from a Rick ware perspective. Make yourself and option for the Ford pipeline. Don’t hitch your wagon to a guy that belongs in Xfinity or trucks.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:40 pm to tWildcat
I had heard some rumblings that MJ might not be pleased with his performance, but the reality is that he’s going to be around as long as he wants to be unless he’s caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl, and folks need to just get used to it and him and move on. It is what it is …
Posted on 9/18/24 at 6:38 pm to InkStainedWretch
He also brings in endorsements and Jordan’s a business man before anything else.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 7:50 pm to InkStainedWretch
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I had heard some rumblings that MJ might not be pleased with his performance, but the reality is that he’s going to be around as long as he wants to be unless he’s caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl, and folks need to just get used to it and him and move on. It is what it is …
Dumb move imo. Also deprives a better driver the opportunity to get a good seat. This confirms its 100% DEI and not driving skills
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:10 pm to OU Guy
Like I said, it is what it is. Bitching about it will not change things.
I actually think he has the chops to do better than he’s doing. What he needs is an attitude adjustment but if they’re cool with the level of performance he’s giving them, where’s the motivation to adjust?
I actually think he has the chops to do better than he’s doing. What he needs is an attitude adjustment but if they’re cool with the level of performance he’s giving them, where’s the motivation to adjust?
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:38 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Like I said, it is what it is. Bitching about it will not change thing
You’re not the decider of my bitches so I’ll continue to rail on the DEI driver, along with other bad drivers.
MJ is proving the sport has turned into solely entertainment and not skills. I think MJ was the greatest BB player in history. And he had a chance to do greater things in Nascar and cross some bridges. But holding onto and extending Bubba for 3 years while he has a title contending driver in Reddick just proves this is about DEI period. And I hate him for that.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:44 pm to OU Guy
I'm with Ink on this. You can bitch all you want but it's not going to change anything. You just come off as yelling at clouds.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:45 pm to InkStainedWretch
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What he needs is an attitude adjustment but if they’re cool with the level of performance he’s giving them, where’s the motivation to adjust?
Nuance isn't allowed in.here, especially when talking about Bubba
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:19 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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You can bitch all you want but it's not going to change anything. You just come off as yelling at clouds.
This is a message board so that’s literally all that’s happening here. It would be awfully quiet if people weren’t giving their opinions.
He’s no different than Danica or Lance Stroll. People are always going to be annoyed when they feel a driver is in a seat for reasons other than talent, and it’s understandable.
Devils advocate… using Bubba to pay bills and Reddick to win races really isn’t the worst plan. It’s not like there’s a constructors title to win.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:25 pm to Cliff Booth
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It’s not like there’s a constructors title to win.
There is but not like F1.
The 16 chase drivers race for title. But the 16 owners race for their own title. For example, HMS has 4 drivers in chase and also has 4 owner cars in chase. Last year the 9 car was in owners chase but not the driver.
The final results of owners finish in chase decides who gets the most money. Chase owners get a lot more slice of the pie than non chase owners. So its similar to F1 but goes by car owner not team owner. Money os similar too as this gets them locked into the extra finishing money next year based on this year. Thats why a team selling charter where some are worth more than others based on prior year chase owner finish in that car number.
Bubba missing chase cost his team big money.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:30 pm to OU Guy
We are more in agreement than disagreement but I have found that not getting upset with that which I cannot change helps my sleep, my digestion and my regularity. Sports in general and NASCAR and conversation on this message board in particular are just a diversion from real life to me, they’re not important enough to me to let it raise my blood pressure.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:44 pm to OU Guy
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Money os similar too as this gets them locked into the extra finishing money next year based on this year. Thats why a team selling charter where some are worth more than others based on prior year chase owner finish in that car number.
That’s interesting, I didn’t know that.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:02 pm to InkStainedWretch
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We are more in agreement than disagreement but I have found that not getting upset with that which I cannot change helps my sleep, my digestion and my regularity. Sports in general and NASCAR and conversation on this message board in particular are just a diversion from real life to me, they’re not important enough to me to let it raise my blood pressure.
Who is upset? Are you? First telling people how they should not rail against the DEI driver. Now claiming posters are upset.
No one is upset here unless you are. My railing against DEI driver has nothing to do with upset, its my opinion. Opinions don’t always have to be emotional unless the reader gets emotional reading them. Are you emotional about Bubba when people talk about him? Seems so
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:18 pm to OU Guy
Let’s back up and start over, we have conversed civilly in the past.
I detected what seemed to be a “raised voice” in your reaction. If I was in error, that’s on me.
You have offered your opinion, I have offered my opinion, I stand by mine and I am sure you stand by yours, which is the way it should be.
And FYI, I think firing Bubba would be absolutely justified because he has horribly underperformed in prime quality equipment. We both know why it’s not going to happen, but the particulars should be left to the cesspool that is the Political Board, which I’d rather have root canal without anesthesia than post at, because I don’t discuss politics or religion online.
I detected what seemed to be a “raised voice” in your reaction. If I was in error, that’s on me.
You have offered your opinion, I have offered my opinion, I stand by mine and I am sure you stand by yours, which is the way it should be.
And FYI, I think firing Bubba would be absolutely justified because he has horribly underperformed in prime quality equipment. We both know why it’s not going to happen, but the particulars should be left to the cesspool that is the Political Board, which I’d rather have root canal without anesthesia than post at, because I don’t discuss politics or religion online.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:19 pm to Cliff Booth
Its very complicated and hard to find info. I think they use a rolling 3 year avg from something I saw recently. Here is a snippet from 2021 article from autoweek:
I think they just renewed charter agreement starting in 25 so we’ll have to rely on insiders leaking info to find out newest details
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First, understand that the value of all 36 charters are not equal. The value of a charter is based on the historic significance of a team and the performance of its car over the past several seasons. How much a team makes at the end of the year is determined by a formula that takes into account the value of the charter and where the team finished in the championship standings.
I think they just renewed charter agreement starting in 25 so we’ll have to rely on insiders leaking info to find out newest details
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:28 pm to InkStainedWretch
My take is he’s taking an existing seat that someone else could do better with. So I’ll call him out on it during the season. Lajoie is another but he doesn’t have top line equipment like Bubba. Lots of back-markers likely need replaced but they get benefit of doubt due to lesser sponsors and teams.
I don’t like it because its not escapable. Meaning the networks push Bubba on fans regardless how he does. He’s never earned anything and yet is shown on all promos with past title winners. He is shown way too much on TV, for his results. So its not just the team thing it effects the sport and fans can’t ignore it. I used to like him until he exploited the fake noose. That told me his character.
So if you can convince the networks and Nascar to tone down pimping him out to earn their own DEI scores then I’ll stop railing on him. Other drivers they highlight have won titles or many races and been in contention for titles. Hope that makes sense.
I don’t like it because its not escapable. Meaning the networks push Bubba on fans regardless how he does. He’s never earned anything and yet is shown on all promos with past title winners. He is shown way too much on TV, for his results. So its not just the team thing it effects the sport and fans can’t ignore it. I used to like him until he exploited the fake noose. That told me his character.
So if you can convince the networks and Nascar to tone down pimping him out to earn their own DEI scores then I’ll stop railing on him. Other drivers they highlight have won titles or many races and been in contention for titles. Hope that makes sense.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 10:31 pm
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