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re: 2024 Formula 1 season Thread
Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:36 am to BuckyCheese
Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:36 am to BuckyCheese
I'm not sure why Lando gave Oscar that much speed when he passed him. He should have given up the lead coming out of the corner.
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Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:43 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:55 am to BuckyCheese
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Posted on 7/21/24 at 11:57 am to BuckyCheese
I wonder how Max really feels
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:12 pm to Fus0623
quote:Is he?
Lando is missing out of 7 championship points when he’s beginning to close inn on Max because of “Team Orders.”
Had they not did this, he would have come out behind Lewis and likely not had the opportunity to eventually get by Piastri.
What I don't get is, why didn't Lando let Piastri through way earlier and almost immediately? That way, given that Lando was clearly faster, would they really have expected him to stay behind Piastri the final 12 laps or so?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:16 pm to Fus0623
quote:Then Piastri just wouldn't have changed the pit strategy, and Lando would have come out behind Hamilton, and Piastri probably wins.
I just dont get why McLaren would even consider swapping positions
We can't pretend Piastri wasn't controlling the race and only lost the lead because Lando who started 1st couldn't keep 1st and needed help to come out of that pit ahead of Lewis.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:18 pm to BestBanker
quote:That's my question
If norris gave piastri the lead back earlier with the 3 second gap, would Zak have allowed them to race each other to the end?
I find it hard to believe they would make Lando stay behind Piastri for 10+ laps being the faster car.
I do wonder if Lando screwed himself out of a win just to prove a point.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:23 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
quote:And then in the future in a huge spot, maybe battling for a WDC, and he needs Piastri to do the right thing to help him out, Piastri probably says, "nah, I'm good"
Lando had the chance there to take the reins of the team, he should’ve told them,” I’m not risking a 1-2 Finish by giving up 5 seconds to third place for free, please stop distracting me w/ unneeded radio messages. Copy”
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:24 pm to shel311
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:46 pm to shel311
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And then in the future in a huge spot, maybe battling for a WDC, and he needs Piastri to do the right thing to help him out, Piastri probably says, "nah, I'm good"
Or he continues his run this season and Red Bull continues to fade, but max holds onto the drivers championship by 6 points and he finishes second.
*The team screwed up the strategy for him a number of times already, you can’t take any chance at winning for granted. + the team still gets their 1-2, it’s not his fault nor his problem to smooth over any issue with Oscar, that’s on the team and their poor strategy.
By the logic used by the team today, why was Oscar allowed to even challenge him at the start, and putting both cars at risk?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 12:53 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
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*The team screwed up the strategy for him a number of times already, you can’t take any chance at winning for granted. + the team still gets their 1-2, it’s not his fault nor his problem to smooth over any issue with Oscar, that’s on the team and their poor strategy. By the logic used by the team today, why was Oscar allowed to even challenge him at the start, and putting both cars at risk
Undercutting a teammate who is leading the race is only done for protection purposes. Lando’s out lap was stupid fast and he knew he was putting his wall under scrutiny. Like others had said if he gave Oscar the spot earlier they may have let him race for it. Lando did himself no favors.
They have been dumb in the past with decisions but again it’s a 1 - 2 finish.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:07 pm to geauxtigs99
No penalty for Verstappen. bullshite. Because Hamilton told the stewards it was a racing incident. What the frick is going on today
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:10 pm to BlueWaffleHouse
quote:This is definitely not a comparable analogy lol.
By the logic used by the team today, why was Oscar allowed to even challenge him at the start, and putting both cars at risk?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:12 pm to geauxtigs99
quote:This, Lando tried to prove a point and potentially cost himself a race win.
Like others had said if he gave Oscar the spot earlier they may have let him race for it. Lando did himself no favors.
But the main point is, if Piastri gets first pit, Lando's chances to win go down greatly, so why would Piastri go with this if Lando won't give the spot back later like agreed to?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:27 pm to athenslife101
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No penalty for Verstappen. bullshite. Because Hamilton told the stewards it was a racing incident. What the frick is going on today
Perhaps Lou doesn't care for the "penalize everything" mentality so many seem to have. shite happens in racing.
He said he enjoyed the racing with KMag at Miami that cost Kevin 8 (?) points.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 1:28 pm to shel311
Overall comments:
I love how pissed Max was. Had they pitted earlier first time he is never racing with Ham rest of race. And he had a faster car so might have made a diff in how McLaren ended up. His engineers screwed him with strategy and it cost him the whole race. And they kept compounding it all race long. To me the braking/contact was 100% Max fault. But within the prior 2 laps Ham did him dirty and made more than 1 racing move - so Stewards likely called it even.
As for McLaren. Their strategists messed up and caused the passing issue. Pitted NOR earlier twice which cost PIA. But then NOR was an arse not giving it earlier and costing McLaren a lot of bad press as dirty laundry was aired. Had NOR told them he’d give it back with 3 to go (and said this with 13 to go) then ok fine. But McLaren had to order him very firmly after telling him several times. Thats a bad look and muddied up the PIA win and team 1/2.
People say what if NOR doesn’t give it back. Well, its a team sport with 2 cars per team. And its likely NOR gets bad strategy in a future race to show him who’s boss. Or a few long pit stops to remind him who’s boss. It would be very easy to do that to prove their own point.
End of the day their strategist screwed up. But NOR was an arse for not following team orders earlier. Had a caution come out late it would have been unfixable. He needs to understand team is trying to look at whole race and how to get both cars 1/2 and the team strategist assumed (wrongly) they needed to pit NOR first to cover 3rd.
I love how pissed Max was. Had they pitted earlier first time he is never racing with Ham rest of race. And he had a faster car so might have made a diff in how McLaren ended up. His engineers screwed him with strategy and it cost him the whole race. And they kept compounding it all race long. To me the braking/contact was 100% Max fault. But within the prior 2 laps Ham did him dirty and made more than 1 racing move - so Stewards likely called it even.
As for McLaren. Their strategists messed up and caused the passing issue. Pitted NOR earlier twice which cost PIA. But then NOR was an arse not giving it earlier and costing McLaren a lot of bad press as dirty laundry was aired. Had NOR told them he’d give it back with 3 to go (and said this with 13 to go) then ok fine. But McLaren had to order him very firmly after telling him several times. Thats a bad look and muddied up the PIA win and team 1/2.
People say what if NOR doesn’t give it back. Well, its a team sport with 2 cars per team. And its likely NOR gets bad strategy in a future race to show him who’s boss. Or a few long pit stops to remind him who’s boss. It would be very easy to do that to prove their own point.
End of the day their strategist screwed up. But NOR was an arse for not following team orders earlier. Had a caution come out late it would have been unfixable. He needs to understand team is trying to look at whole race and how to get both cars 1/2 and the team strategist assumed (wrongly) they needed to pit NOR first to cover 3rd.
This post was edited on 7/21/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:03 pm to OU Guy
Interesting they have punished both Lewis and Max for avoiding contact on lap 1 turn 1 recently but the justification for not giving the penalty here is Lewis could have done more to avoid the contact.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:44 pm to Fus0623
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I just dont get why McLaren would even consider swapping positions. Norris is way ahead in the standings and could actually challenge for the title if they keep performing. Mercedes or Red Bull would just tell the "second" driver to suck it up.
Only thing that McLaren cares about is the constructors chanmpionship. WDC is a personal award not a team award.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 2:52 pm to shel311
quote:
We can't pretend Piastri wasn't controlling the race and only lost the lead because Lando who started 1st couldn't keep 1st and needed help to come out of that pit ahead of Lewis.
Did Piastri leave a full car width on the move where he got through Norris on the first corner?
Posted on 7/21/24 at 3:49 pm to MikeD
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