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re: 2023 NASCAR Season Thread - 2023-24 Offseason
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:03 pm to bamarep
Posted on 6/10/23 at 1:03 pm to bamarep
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jumping in the "pride" shite certainly doesn't help any of their causes.
So true. What demographic are they trying to attract that will realistically become fans?
NASCAR ownership has to be some of the biggest dumbasses.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:30 pm to Tigertown in ATL
There is no sports organization, college or professional … or media or entertainment organization … that wants predominantly white, predominantly lower- to lower- or middle-class (the folks who back before that world died could hire on at an old-school smokestack manufacturing plant with a high school education like their daddy, granddaddy or great-granddaddy did and work for 40 years with great wages and benefits and retire with a pension) predominantly conservative, predominantly rural or small-town folks predominantly from the South and Midwest in their desired customer demographic anymore. Because the mindset is that demographic is ebbing and can’t help them anymore and for better or worse, they’re playing the long game that if they cling to that demographic, they will ebb with it.
Before roasting me with flames and downvotes, I’m not a fan or advocate of that strategy. By any means. That’s as far as I’ll go because I make an iron-clad non-negotiable point of not discussing politics on the Internet. Just assessing the landscape as I see it.
Before roasting me with flames and downvotes, I’m not a fan or advocate of that strategy. By any means. That’s as far as I’ll go because I make an iron-clad non-negotiable point of not discussing politics on the Internet. Just assessing the landscape as I see it.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:36 pm to InkStainedWretch
You're not wrong.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 2:57 pm to InkStainedWretch
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There is no sports organization, college or professional … or media or entertainment organization … that wants predominantly white, predominantly lower- to lower- or middle-class
Maybe, but Nascar has not been very successful in recruiting minorities to their sport. One female that I can remember and I don't think she ever won a race. You have Bubba Wallace and that's it.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 3:12 pm to bamameister
You’re not wrong.
I know Shawna Robinson … IMO she had the chops starting out but lost ‘em for a variety of reasons … won an old Dash series race back in the 1980s, has a female driver ever won another NASCAR points race at any level, I’m drawing a blank.
And the tale has always been that Kelley Earnhardt had much better racing chops than Jr. but either her dad decided for her or she decided herself not to go all the way with it. Wouldn’t that have changed history?
I know Shawna Robinson … IMO she had the chops starting out but lost ‘em for a variety of reasons … won an old Dash series race back in the 1980s, has a female driver ever won another NASCAR points race at any level, I’m drawing a blank.
And the tale has always been that Kelley Earnhardt had much better racing chops than Jr. but either her dad decided for her or she decided herself not to go all the way with it. Wouldn’t that have changed history?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 5:42 pm to InkStainedWretch
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And the tale has always been that Kelley Earnhardt had much better racing chops than Jr.
This is a true statement.
And WOOD.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:32 pm to InkStainedWretch
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And the tale has always been that Kelley Earnhardt had much better racing chops than Jr. but either her dad decided for her or she decided herself not to go all the way with it. Wouldn’t that have changed history?
I’m not sure how to break this to you, but sometimes when it comes to women and competition, there tends to be a little harmless leeway with the truth for the sake of flattery.
The best female driver that I’ve seen was Johanna Long - she won the snowball derby.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:38 pm to Yellerhammer5
Kelley could flat out wheel, baw.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:08 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Kelley could flat out wheel, baw.
I’m aware that she was a talented driver, but she was not going to be a double digit winner in the cup series.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:13 pm to Yellerhammer5
We agree there. Moreso b/c a lot of teams refused to work w/a women driver back then, even if she was the daughter of Dale.
But like has always been said, Kelley Earnhardt Miller is her dad w/boobs.
But like has always been said, Kelley Earnhardt Miller is her dad w/boobs.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:17 pm to Yellerhammer5
From Wikipedia, take it as you will.
She learned how to drive from her father and she would drive a car around the family farm since she was about 12 or 13 years old. Earnhardt Miller raced stock cars at local tracks. Her father Dale Earnhardt reportedly said that she might be the next great driver from the Earnhardt family because of what ESPN described as her "aggression, mental toughness, a willingness to push the car to its limit". Her cousin Tony Eury Jr. said, "She was very good at what she did. I raced her several times over at Tri-County [Racetrack in Brasstown, N.C.]. We thought she probably had as much or more talent than any of them." She raced more frequently at Hickory Motor Speedway and Myrtle Beach Speedway. Her father hired Dale Jr. to work on her race cars, including building one from scratch, while the two were local race car drivers. She raced after graduating from University of North Carolina at Charlotte and ended her racing career in 1996 until leaving on Friday's at 2 o'clock conflicted with working full-time at Action Performance.
And a link from a story in ESPN that confirms she was the one who gave it up because she wanted to be in the business world.
LINK
Unless you think her daddy (RIP) and her brother and her cousin were all lying to make her look good or to curry favor with the feminist crowd.
And I seem to remember it took a whole lot of work to develop Jr. into a winning driver who was serious about stuff, he didn’t just show up ready to go. We’ll never know, but what if she’d been the one doing all that work and it had been a more enlightened time in NASCAR?
She learned how to drive from her father and she would drive a car around the family farm since she was about 12 or 13 years old. Earnhardt Miller raced stock cars at local tracks. Her father Dale Earnhardt reportedly said that she might be the next great driver from the Earnhardt family because of what ESPN described as her "aggression, mental toughness, a willingness to push the car to its limit". Her cousin Tony Eury Jr. said, "She was very good at what she did. I raced her several times over at Tri-County [Racetrack in Brasstown, N.C.]. We thought she probably had as much or more talent than any of them." She raced more frequently at Hickory Motor Speedway and Myrtle Beach Speedway. Her father hired Dale Jr. to work on her race cars, including building one from scratch, while the two were local race car drivers. She raced after graduating from University of North Carolina at Charlotte and ended her racing career in 1996 until leaving on Friday's at 2 o'clock conflicted with working full-time at Action Performance.
And a link from a story in ESPN that confirms she was the one who gave it up because she wanted to be in the business world.
LINK
Unless you think her daddy (RIP) and her brother and her cousin were all lying to make her look good or to curry favor with the feminist crowd.
And I seem to remember it took a whole lot of work to develop Jr. into a winning driver who was serious about stuff, he didn’t just show up ready to go. We’ll never know, but what if she’d been the one doing all that work and it had been a more enlightened time in NASCAR?
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:23 pm to InkStainedWretch
Aric Almirola wins the Xfinity Series race at Sonoma in a bit of a surprise. He was driving for Xfinity Series vet Ryan Sieg’s team, RSS Racing. It is that company’s first victory.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:28 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
That was awesome. Larson really messed himself up with about 7 to go
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:29 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Happy for Almirola after the way he's been running on Sundays this year.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:37 pm to InkStainedWretch
I mean me and you and others know how good Kelley was, some people just Don't wanna hear it b/c she's a woman.
It all worked out in the end. Junior became the star, Kelley has been his de facto manager for over a quarter century and now they run JRM together(Junior handles the talent/PR and Kelley the business side) and are as close as you'll ever see two siblings. They are inseparable.
It all worked out in the end. Junior became the star, Kelley has been his de facto manager for over a quarter century and now they run JRM together(Junior handles the talent/PR and Kelley the business side) and are as close as you'll ever see two siblings. They are inseparable.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 6/10/23 at 9:51 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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I mean me and you and others know how good Kelley was, some people just Don't wanna hear it b/c she's a woman.
Straw man argument.
I could care less about whether a driver is man or a woman if they can drive. In fact, I thought Johanna Long deserved a better opportunity in xfinity than she got. On the other hand, you don’t actually know shite about whether Kelley was going to be better than Junior. You’ve just heard it repeated over the years until you accept it as fact. If you know how great she was, how many late model wins and track championships did she have at tri-county and Myrtle Beach?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:02 pm to Yellerhammer5
Are the people in the ESPN story I linked lying or making caca up? Simple yes or no question.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:12 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Are the people in the ESPN story I linked lying or making caca up? Simple yes or no question.
The one quoting a third hand account from Dale, her cousin, and her brother?
Like I said previously, there was no harm in a little hyperbole from family that obviously love her very much. Cooper manning was also going to be the best NFL player too.
I don’t doubt she was a good driver, but saying that she was going to be more successful than Dale based on an ESPN article with quotes from her family is hilarious. Do you think she’d really give up on her racing career to pursue to business side in her twenties if she was on a trajectory for the cup series?
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:20 pm to Yellerhammer5
I’m done, now you’re just trolling.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 10:25 pm to InkStainedWretch
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I’m done, now you’re just trolling.
Prove me wrong and post her late model results compared with junior’s.
I’m man enough to admit it if I’m wrong.
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