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re: 2023 NASCAR Season Thread - 2023-24 Offseason
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:46 pm to nvasil1
Posted on 5/29/23 at 10:46 pm to nvasil1
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Allgaier into the grandstand like Newgarden and Blaney.
He was emotional too. I imagine due to long wait to finish race plus the honors tie in, and being a home race - it means a lot to the winners.
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Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:01 pm to InkStainedWretch
Wow…Bubba not quite as aggressive when the guy is the same size. When it was a little guy like Larson he was a tough guy.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:21 pm to OU Guy
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He was emotional too. I imagine due to long wait to finish race plus the honors tie in, and being a home race - it means a lot to the winners.
This weekend is why I love this sport so much.
I live in the hometown of the cursed Bettenhausen family, so I loved seeing Newgarden finally win at Indy.
I've posted before that I'm a Blaney fan and that he was due. Him winning the 600 was awesome.
Allgaier is an Illinois guy, so I always pull for him, and it was great to see him win.
My biases aside, the point is that it's great to see emotion from all these guys. These races still matter.
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:24 pm to OU Guy
I liked Bubba when he was in the trucks. Aggressive style, seemed to have a good feel for driving with his arse like a Ken Schrader who could hop into anything, Then he was exalted as this great thing because of his melatonin levels and he became an idiot. If he tuned everything out and would just drive the damn car he’d be better off.
Cool Blaney deal….I was a huge fan of his dad’s when he ran a 410 sprint car. I still have a bunch of Dave Blaney shirts, hats, etc. . In ‘94 when the outlaws made a swing into Wisconsin I was at the Hales Corners show (great little track that is no longer there) and afterwards I walk up to Dave Blaney’s hauler to buy yet another shirt, have him sign it, etc. Dave is standing there holding a baby in his arms and his wife isn’t around. So he hands this 6 month old to me to get me a shirt and sign some stuff and just to BS a little bit. He followed the regional racing papers and when I mentioned who my brother was (he ran a dirt late model) he knew who he was. For about half an hour we were just shooting the breeze and I had his kid in my arms making faces at him, feeding him, and on an on. I was 18 at the time and Dave Blaney was cool enough with me a fan and stranger hanging on to his kid and since he was busy with fans and whatnot with no one else around he sheepishly asked if I knew how to change a diaper and I did so I changed the crap filled drawers and wiped the butt of Dave Blaney’s kid. That 6 month old was Ryan Blaney.
Cool Blaney deal….I was a huge fan of his dad’s when he ran a 410 sprint car. I still have a bunch of Dave Blaney shirts, hats, etc. . In ‘94 when the outlaws made a swing into Wisconsin I was at the Hales Corners show (great little track that is no longer there) and afterwards I walk up to Dave Blaney’s hauler to buy yet another shirt, have him sign it, etc. Dave is standing there holding a baby in his arms and his wife isn’t around. So he hands this 6 month old to me to get me a shirt and sign some stuff and just to BS a little bit. He followed the regional racing papers and when I mentioned who my brother was (he ran a dirt late model) he knew who he was. For about half an hour we were just shooting the breeze and I had his kid in my arms making faces at him, feeding him, and on an on. I was 18 at the time and Dave Blaney was cool enough with me a fan and stranger hanging on to his kid and since he was busy with fans and whatnot with no one else around he sheepishly asked if I knew how to change a diaper and I did so I changed the crap filled drawers and wiped the butt of Dave Blaney’s kid. That 6 month old was Ryan Blaney.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 5/29/23 at 11:28 pm to 32footsteps
That's a legit great story.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 6:32 am to 32footsteps
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:04 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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Bubba used to seem like a cool, relaxed guy like Blaney. After 2020 and all that went down in that season, his attitude changed. He now has a constantly sarcastic attitude. He seems to want to be a villain, but then complains when treated like a villain. Even when he is blaming himself, he’s sarcastic about it. He needs to go back to being a cool, relaxed guy.
It seems like he used to hang out with Bowyer a lot, and I'm sure he was a good influence on that front.
Mostly though I think its a classic case of a guy folding under pressure. He not only knows he has to perform with owners like MJ and Denny (plus being in the Toyota program that hasn't waited around on guys to break out in the past) but also to try and silence the critics. In a sport where just your name can make you a hero or a villain, he needs to learn that you can't listen to the noise.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:10 am to TrussvilleTide
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It seems like he used to hang out with Bowyer a lot, and I'm sure he was a good influence on that front.
His two best friends are Blaney and Chase.
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Mostly though I think its a classic case of a guy folding under pressure. He not only knows he has to perform with owners like MJ and Denny (plus being in the Toyota program that hasn't waited around on guys to break out in the past) but also to try and silence the critics. In a sport where just your name can make you a hero or a villain, he needs to learn that you can't listen to the noise.
Good post.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:51 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Bubba is comparable to Lebron as he is just unlikeable. Post race interview and they ask about the shove and he just blows it off and talks about running fourth.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:58 am to TrussvilleTide
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Bowyer
Speaking of Bowyer, he is so much better in the booth when Stewart is there. Not sure why.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:23 am to Tigertown in ATL
OT but that BodyArmor paint scheme Blaney was rocking may have been my favorite of the year so far.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:21 am to tWildcat
Trying to read the tea leaves on Chase being suspended. I still think he did it intentionally, and should sit a race. But there are enough questions that might allow Nascar to say inconclusive since Chase did not admit to it.
But to appease those who feel its not evenly reffed Nascar shoukd just suspend Chase and that means its over between the two. Do nothing and a payback is coming.
Denny did not help by whining about it via social media, be a man and confront him in the RV park. Now if Nascar does suspend it gives the look they followed Denny. Grown man using social media to try and get someone suspended, not a good look. I want Chase suspended but I also hate what Denny has become as well.
Here is one picture showing when the 6 hit him, but I think he had already hit Hamlin at this point
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Here is another persons opinion:
“The data Hamlin claims proves Chase did it actually shows Chase got out of the throttle and hard into the brakes.
The exact opposite of what Bubba did last year and the opposite of what someone trying to hook would do.
And Chase's R rear was leaving rubber marks on the track before hitting Hamlin - consistent with a R rear broken toe link from Hamlin running Chase into the wall.
I think Chase is owed an apology, not a suspension (unless there is a hell of a lot more data out there than a L-R-L-R turn curve on SMR which would be caused by a broken toe link too)”
Someone replies ti the above person:
“The steering is what screws chase”
And the original person responds with this:
“If the R rear toe link let go and the R rear wheel toed out it would slingshot Chase's car L beyond his control.
And again - *something* made Chase's car start putting down rubber on the track *before* Chase hit Hamlin's back quarter panel.
Ultimately, Chase got out of the throttle and into the brake hard as soon as contact was made. That's the opposite of what Bubba did and the opposite of what somebody trying to hook Hamlin would do.“
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My summary: The person who made those comments is wrong. If his RR was broken and brake locked up it would turn him right not left. If only RR is braking that moves you right.
My Verdict: Suspend one race.
But to appease those who feel its not evenly reffed Nascar shoukd just suspend Chase and that means its over between the two. Do nothing and a payback is coming.
Denny did not help by whining about it via social media, be a man and confront him in the RV park. Now if Nascar does suspend it gives the look they followed Denny. Grown man using social media to try and get someone suspended, not a good look. I want Chase suspended but I also hate what Denny has become as well.
Here is one picture showing when the 6 hit him, but I think he had already hit Hamlin at this point
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Here is another persons opinion:
“The data Hamlin claims proves Chase did it actually shows Chase got out of the throttle and hard into the brakes.
The exact opposite of what Bubba did last year and the opposite of what someone trying to hook would do.
And Chase's R rear was leaving rubber marks on the track before hitting Hamlin - consistent with a R rear broken toe link from Hamlin running Chase into the wall.
I think Chase is owed an apology, not a suspension (unless there is a hell of a lot more data out there than a L-R-L-R turn curve on SMR which would be caused by a broken toe link too)”
Someone replies ti the above person:
“The steering is what screws chase”
And the original person responds with this:
“If the R rear toe link let go and the R rear wheel toed out it would slingshot Chase's car L beyond his control.
And again - *something* made Chase's car start putting down rubber on the track *before* Chase hit Hamlin's back quarter panel.
Ultimately, Chase got out of the throttle and into the brake hard as soon as contact was made. That's the opposite of what Bubba did and the opposite of what somebody trying to hook Hamlin would do.“
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My summary: The person who made those comments is wrong. If his RR was broken and brake locked up it would turn him right not left. If only RR is braking that moves you right.
My Verdict: Suspend one race.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:35 am to OU Guy
Yeah, I think Chase was already turning down into Hamlin before contact was made with Keselowski. Whether Chase pressed the throttle when he turned doesn’t matter that much, IMO, because he was still going plenty fast enough to cause Hamlin to have a very hard crash.
I agree with most, Chase should be suspended for one race and I expect that is what NASCAR will decide to do.
I agree with most, Chase should be suspended for one race and I expect that is what NASCAR will decide to do.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:49 am to OU Guy
quote:I wonder if he meant right, and would cause oversteer to the left to try and keep it from running on him? I don't see enough in the video or smt to warrant a suspension.
If his RR was broken and brake locked up it would turn him right not left
Everyone trying to compare it to what Bubba did last year need to rewatch both incidents again. Buba's was 100% obvious, and then he got out and tried to go after Larson afterwards. These two incidents are nowhere near the same, so the punishment (if any) shouldn't be the same either.
I get that Chase is either a guy people like or hate. That said this race is known for leading to tempers every year. Denny was upset he lost track position and having trouble getting around Chase, so he leans on him a few laps before running him up into the wall. Rewatching it and seeing the marks and smoke coming off the rr after the 9 hits the wall...man...I just think there's too much between that and the throttle and braking from the smt to say definitively that was intentional.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:49 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I like Chase and understand the constant pressure he’s under. He drives clean and I have always wanted him to be more aggressive. But not like this.
Its better for the sport lomg term to suspend him. The sport has turned into hacks like Ross who wreck their way to success and not driving hard.
If Nascar suspends Chase and him being the most popular driver - it tells all drivers they can be suspended too. That might tone down some of the bad driving.
Its better for the sport lomg term to suspend him. The sport has turned into hacks like Ross who wreck their way to success and not driving hard.
If Nascar suspends Chase and him being the most popular driver - it tells all drivers they can be suspended too. That might tone down some of the bad driving.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:57 am to OU Guy
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I like Chase and understand the constant pressure he’s under. He drives clean and I have always wanted him to be more aggressive. But not like this.
Its better for the sport lomg term to suspend him. The sport has turned into hacks like Ross who wreck their way to success and not driving hard.
If Nascar suspends Chase and him being the most popular driver - it tells all drivers they can be suspended too. That might tone down some of the bad driving.
Or it might be refreshing to see guys like Chase handle their business on the track more often. He did get bumped hard by Hamlin, who has his own reputation for getting frustrated and aggressive.
Chase isn't turning into Ross Chastain just because he took care of his own. I have no idea why people don't understand that things get handled in the heat of the moment in this sport. Not adjudicated in front of Nascar brass the following week. Hockey players know they are creating power plays when they break the rules, but they will forever handle their business in the NOW. And that is Nascar too.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
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I wonder if he meant right, and would cause oversteer to the left to try and keep it from running on him? I don't see enough in the video or smt to warrant a suspension. Everyone trying to compare it to what Bubba did last year need to rewatch both incidents again. Buba's was 100% obvious, and then he got out and tried to go after Larson afterwards. These two incidents are nowhere near the same, so the punishment (if any) shouldn't be the same either. I get that Chase is either a guy people like or hate. That said this race is known for leading to tempers every year. Denny was upset he lost track position and having trouble getting around Chase, so he leans on him a few laps before running him up into the wall. Rewatching it and seeing the marks and smoke coming off the rr after the 9 hits the wall...man...I just think there's too much between that and the throttle and braking from the smt to say definitively that was intentional.
I guess its possible he was turnimg wheel left to compensate for RR toe link broken and then it “caught” and perhaps wheel unlocked and with wheel input left it put him in Denny.
But it just seemed he turned right after it was going mostly straight. I think he was pissed and hit him.
I like Chase he’s one of my favorite drivers. I think what Bubba did was much worse plus the assaulting. But that suspension - in the eyes of public opinion - was the hook/wreck - and if Chase gets off regardless why - it will look unfair to most fans. And Nascar has a poor public image regarding fairness.
So regardless details, it is in their best interest to suspend him one race to show fairness to most fans who don’t follow closely and dig into the details.
And Chase has said before, he wants and needs to win his way into Chase. Said if he points in that means he’s not good enough to win it all. So a race suspension won’t matter in that regard. Sure, Nascar will lose viewers for one race, but will gain longer term.
The bigger challenge is Chase never admitted to it. And never alluded he did it. Nascar, if they suspend him will be saying he’s lying.
This post was edited on 5/30/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:05 pm to bamameister
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Or it might be refreshing to see guys like Chase handle their business on the track more often. He did get bumped hard by Hamlin, who has his own reputation for getting frustrated and aggressive. Chase isn't turning into Ross Chastain just because he took care of his own. I have no idea why people don't understand that things get handled in the heat of the moment in this sport. Not adjudicated in front of Nascar brass the following week. Hockey players know they are creating power plays when they break the rules, but they will forever handle their business in the NOW. And that is Nascar too.
I am 100% with you. But as I mentioned in prior post it will give appearance that sport isn’t fair die to Bubba. I 100% agree what Bubba did was suspension worthy, and this isn’t the same. But public opinion doesn’t know the minor details as we do. For the sport its better he sits a race. He has to win his way in chase anyway, so this would eliminate the fairness talk.
I do want Chase to drive more agressive too.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:23 pm to OU Guy
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I am 100% with you. But as I mentioned in prior post it will give appearance that sport isn’t fair die to Bubba. I 100% agree what Bubba did was suspension worthy, and this isn’t the same. But public opinion doesn’t know the minor details as we do. For the sport its better he sits a race. He has to win his way in chase anyway, so this would eliminate the fairness talk.
Plausible denial and accountability have always worked in Nascar. Wallace went down and got his prey and took away the plausible part right there. Hamlin had what he needed even though everyone knew what he meant to do. But gets on a podcast and admits his sins. He deserved that for literally being that dumb. Nascar knows the racer's intentions for the most part, but it's the law of the jungle to handle your own business.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 1:51 pm to tWildcat
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OT but that BodyArmor paint scheme Blaney was rocking may have been my favorite of the year so far.
Good example of a company letting teams do cool things with schemes. Blaney's BodyArmor Kobe scheme was really good too.
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