re: 2022 NASCAR Season Thread - 2022-23 Offseason

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Again, this was Chase doing it on his own. He was mad and took actions without being coached to do it. He made the choice. Custer was coached to help his teamate that is the difference. Hamlin did same vs Chastain earlier in year - he did it on his own he was not coached to do it. Thats why neither was penalized.

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The results are the same, it should be penalized regardless of the methodology.

They have all the data they need to see when guys are slowing down, braking, etc. Pair that with the context of the race/points situation and you have plenty to nail guys.

All "leaving it up to the drivers to do on their own" will end up doing is causing teams to plan it pre-race and then probably have code words on the radio to trigger it.

It's complete chickenshit that NASCAR didn't punish Chase for what he did at Bristol. He caused his own demise that race. And threw a child tantrum. If we are being honest about it, that should've been a penalty.

Chase is lucky old man Harvick didn't whip his arse.

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Chase is lucky old man Harvick didn't whip his arse.

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I'd paid good money to see that....

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It's complete chickenshit that NASCAR didn't punish Chase for what he did at Bristol. He caused his own demise that race. And threw a child tantrum. If we are being honest about it, that should've been a penalty. Chase is lucky old man Harvick didn't whip his arse.

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Again, if they punished drivers for takimg actions on their own every driver wod be penalized in a given year. Its imoossible to do that.

What they don’t want is team orders called over the radio to alter the race thats what they did with Custer. What about Hamlin stalking Chastain all race? No fine because it was not team orders.

And Chase would whip Harvick all over the floor.

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But the INTENT to alter the outcome of the race is the same. And that's where REAL fans see they hypocrisy. It doesn't matter WHO made the call to do something. The actions of the TEAM (Driver, crew chief or mechanic) influenced the outcome of the race. If what you're saying is true, then the logical defense for SHR in this situation is for Custer to simply say "I did it on my own, they crew didn't tell me to do anything." By your logic that would make it OK. It isn't. I'm not saying Custer shouldn't have been popped. I'm saying that Nascar doesn't apply their penalties equally (and that certain teams get more calls their way than others). There is no way any thinking person can LOGICALLY argue around that without bias

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You can’t run races like that. Do you want nascar to decide intent for every crash? My goodness talk about a cluster! Every single wreck would have to investigated to see if there was any intent. Then by extension see what alliances that driver has thru teams or support to decide if there may have been intent. You could have some backmarker take out Hamlin and the marker gets engines from SHR so now nascar says this was ordered by SHR through association. Do mot gove nascar that power to make judgement decisions.

Its really simple. Nascar does not penalize drivers taking actions on their own accord but will take action when teams order it. There are some gray areas but thats better than them lookimg at every wreck or contact to see if they want to penalize or not.

I think nascar has made so many errors and have hurt the sport. But in these cases its pretty clear where they draw line on team orders.

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At least I flushed out the Chase haters theu discussion lol.

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This is a source of pride?
If he didn’t race for Slick Rick and get Tom Brady treatment I wouldn’t be against him.
His personality makes Jimmie Johnson seem dynamic, so it’s really those things and not personal.
He’s a bitch from time to time, but most of them are.

Harvick would win in a fight vs. just about any driver in that garage.

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Its really simple. Nascar does not penalize drivers taking actions on their own accord but will take action when teams order it. There are some gray areas but thats better than them lookimg at every wreck or contact to see if they want to penalize or not.

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Do you want to read the rule, or just talk out of your butt?



Read that and tell me why Chase Elliot should have gotten a penalty last year a Bristol.

1) He did not race at 100%. He slowed down in front of Harvick.
2). He "Artificially Altered" the outcome of the race. He hit/blocked Harvick until his teammate was able to pass the #4 car. He ever copped to it on the radio as documented previously in this thread.
3). The definition says "Any Competitors(s)". Not crew chief, not team, not driver. "Any Competitors(s)" By definition, Chase is a competitor in the event, therefore the rule applies to him.

Presented with the facts and the rule, do you still want to stand by your previous statement?

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