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re: 2022 NASCAR Season Thread - 2022-23 Offseason
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:42 pm to Horsemeat
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:42 pm to Horsemeat
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Goodyear WTF
Great, Nastycar will use these tire issues to make new off season rules. “We will set stages every 30 laps amd mandate tire changes each time”. Coming to racetracks 2023
Why can’t they get another tire maker? Or fix this POS car. Booth always brags everytime someone hits a wall “last seasoms car woulda been knocked oit of race”. Nastycar must pay them x dollars every wreck to say that just like drivers get drink bonuses. This car is trash and has so many technical issues.
Tx race needs to be 250 miles. This race took 5 hours today! What a mess. And start it at 11am
And Denny is such a wuss! Can’t race, always getting pit speeding penalties every year he is at top of list for that. Blames everyone else.
Fans deserve a refund for this race. And Goodyear needs fired. They went woke a few years ago forcing CRT on employees and took so much flack they had to back down. Now we see their product in action one blowout after another. Priorities you know!
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 11:45 pm
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Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:43 am to OU Guy
I watched NFL instead of this. Texas is just an awful track now.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:01 am to EarlyCuyler3
4 straight wins by drivers eliminated from the playoffs
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:04 am to SPEEDY
Yeah that's crazy. Something that'll never happen again.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 6:56 am to SPEEDY
And with a road course and super speedway coming up it could be 6 straight. You never know what can happen on those.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:23 am to OU Guy
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Fans deserve a refund for this race.
I take it you weren't there, because other than the lightning delay it was a pretty good race with 19 lead changes. There was passing throughout the field, yes clean air is king like any other 1.5 Miler, but cars were able to get runs and make passes for the lead under green.
I know a lot of people are probably upset because their favorite driver blew a tire, but listening to the drivers in post race it sounds like the cars that made it through without blowing them were the ones not pushing the issue on pressure and camber to keep from overloading the right rear when the car takes the load between 3&4. Also had a lot of the drivers in post race say they couldn't believe the teams running up front after the delay took the risk not to come in and get a new set to adjust the air pressure because the temp had dropped 20 degrees at least when that cell passed through. So based on drivers comments it sounds like there is an issue with certain teams pushing the envelope with how much load the right rear is taking.
On the people complaining about Texas, are you at the track? Serious question as I see this complaint so much, but I don't see it, I am at the track though so I don't know what they show on the TV coverage, but the on track racing from where I was sitting looked good.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:17 am to AwesomeSauce
Jimmie Johnson is retiring from full-time racing. Expect to see him a little next year.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 9:23 am to AwesomeSauce
I think racers deserve decent tires for safety reasons. Even pit crews almost got wiped out by a car hitting the pit wall from a wreck.
Most of the passing happened on restarts which the restarts were caused by faulty tires causing wrecks. After 2 laps there were few passes. Take away the blown tires and its another snooze fest race.
I guess thats what kept people glued in, to see who would blow a tire next and if they would escape injury. Thats not racing thats spin the dial and see if your tire code number comes up. It wasn’t all due to set ups did you see that one tire with the bubble on it? Nastycar had a pile of tires outside their trailer building up to investigate.
Do you see tire failures like this in F1? These are defective tires causing wrecks. Oh, and then drivers get to go to Dega next week and worry about plate racing wrecks plus worry will their tires make it. Or will their car catch on fire from rubber build up.
Most of the passing happened on restarts which the restarts were caused by faulty tires causing wrecks. After 2 laps there were few passes. Take away the blown tires and its another snooze fest race.
I guess thats what kept people glued in, to see who would blow a tire next and if they would escape injury. Thats not racing thats spin the dial and see if your tire code number comes up. It wasn’t all due to set ups did you see that one tire with the bubble on it? Nastycar had a pile of tires outside their trailer building up to investigate.
Do you see tire failures like this in F1? These are defective tires causing wrecks. Oh, and then drivers get to go to Dega next week and worry about plate racing wrecks plus worry will their tires make it. Or will their car catch on fire from rubber build up.
This post was edited on 9/26/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:30 am to OU Guy
Jimmie Johnson announces retirement from full-time racing
Sounds like he still plans to try to run some races in various series, though.
Sounds like he still plans to try to run some races in various series, though.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:57 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Rodney Childers pipes in:
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:08 pm to OU Guy
quote:All 150 people that were there would be pleased.
Fans deserve a refund for this race
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:24 pm to OU Guy
So what he is saying is that they manipulate the tire pressure, way below what is recommended BTW from the experts, so the car will sit lower and have more downforce and go faster. ALL the crashes and car issues from the last 3-4 weeks were limited to certain teams and/or manufacturers that are trying to get the most out of that car and be ultra-competitive for the playoffs...which any team would probably do, though at the expense of reliability.
I'm no expert or engineer, but common sense tells me that if you are trying to go further then the equipment is capable of you will have failures, no matter if it is tire failure, steering rack failures or engine failures.
I don't think it's a NASCAR problem, as far as the sanctioning body...I think it's a team problem and they want to cast that blame on NASCAR so they don't have the accountability to their mistakes.
Texas was still a shitty race, hasn't been a good track for some time now, but I still go and support it because I like racing and hope to see them do something to change the track to a better layout for a better show.
I'm no expert or engineer, but common sense tells me that if you are trying to go further then the equipment is capable of you will have failures, no matter if it is tire failure, steering rack failures or engine failures.
I don't think it's a NASCAR problem, as far as the sanctioning body...I think it's a team problem and they want to cast that blame on NASCAR so they don't have the accountability to their mistakes.
Texas was still a shitty race, hasn't been a good track for some time now, but I still go and support it because I like racing and hope to see them do something to change the track to a better layout for a better show.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 4:21 pm to OU Guy
The tire was less than 10% of the reason for these tire issues. TMS gets 20% for messing up 1&2 a few years back. The teams get 70% for going outside Goodyear's recommendations on air pressure on top of the added camber to drop the diffuser down to get better grip. This has happened this year with teams and manipulating tire pressure was the main problem then. It happened just last week where this issue was breaking steering components because of the loads, this week the tires blew. The weather delay also multiplied the issue. Notice the cars that stayed out were the ones to blow after they restarted? I understand why they are doing it, but it's also something they know has huge implications if they were a little off on their calculations on the anticipated load on the tire when the spring limiter bottoms out going across the bumps in 3&4.
The 19 lead changes were green flag, there was 36 if you count wrecks, cautions, and pit road. I am sure the green flag runs being 20 laps or so aided the amount of passing throughout the field yesterday, and if it was the typical no caution or one caution Texas race it's been then that probably would have been taken away or at least tempered.
Also, to compare a 1750lb F1 car in low bank cornering to a 3300lb cup car on a high bank oval is a bit like apples to fish. The components do not take near the same load even though the cars pull 5.5-6G vs 3.5-4G. The load being asked to carry for a stock cars components is still almost double that of an F1 car. In the end this was an issue with multiple responsible parties, but if camber and air pressure were in range we don't see this happening as often as we have.
The 19 lead changes were green flag, there was 36 if you count wrecks, cautions, and pit road. I am sure the green flag runs being 20 laps or so aided the amount of passing throughout the field yesterday, and if it was the typical no caution or one caution Texas race it's been then that probably would have been taken away or at least tempered.
Also, to compare a 1750lb F1 car in low bank cornering to a 3300lb cup car on a high bank oval is a bit like apples to fish. The components do not take near the same load even though the cars pull 5.5-6G vs 3.5-4G. The load being asked to carry for a stock cars components is still almost double that of an F1 car. In the end this was an issue with multiple responsible parties, but if camber and air pressure were in range we don't see this happening as often as we have.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:26 pm to AwesomeSauce
The fault lies with nascar and this new car. Liiting travel means you have metal on metal and therefore 100% of the load goes to tire. And tires have issues if they can’t hold the load. Did you see the bubbled tires?
These drivers and teams are here to race and thet means getting everything out of it. The diffuser is useless if not intended to work at current heights.
Nascar needs to fox the travel issue plus diffuser. Goodyear needs to make a stronger tire. Teams need fo keep pushikg boundaries thats what made nascar so fun.
Crate cars are no fun just a parade. And did you recheck those 19 passes for lead I bet 17 were within 2 laps of restarts.
These drivers and teams are here to race and thet means getting everything out of it. The diffuser is useless if not intended to work at current heights.
Nascar needs to fox the travel issue plus diffuser. Goodyear needs to make a stronger tire. Teams need fo keep pushikg boundaries thats what made nascar so fun.
Crate cars are no fun just a parade. And did you recheck those 19 passes for lead I bet 17 were within 2 laps of restarts.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:13 pm to OU Guy
I'm not absolving Goodyear or NASCAR, the issue is how far they are being pushed. This is exasperated at a track like TMS with two very distinct ends. One in which grip of any kind comes at a premium and the other where drivers are able to go wide open and load up the car into the banking. Add in the shorter sidewall and shock limiter and you are going to get blowouts if you go too low when the tire is at peak load. Just because the teams overstepping those limits because they went too far doesn't mean the new car is bad. Does it need tweaks? Yes. You can't spend your way out of this for the big budget teams. This isn't srx where you have identical crate cars. It's also not an open division where a billionaire can higher enough engineers to make a new component anytime they hit a snag. It's a new car with new issues, I expect the issues to be corrected. It's also a new car that car chiefs are finding the boundaries for.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 8:53 pm to CobraCommander83
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Denny is a bitch.
Byron is a candy arse entitled pussy.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 3:04 pm to Tigertown in ATL
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Byron is a candy arse entitled pussy.
But Denny can still be a bitch, too… Which he is.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 4:18 pm to prostyleoffensetime
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NASCAR officials handed out two sizable penalties Tuesday for rough driving, docking William Byron and Ty Gibbs for their roles in separate incidents in last weekend’s Cup Series race at Texas Motor Speedway.
Byron was hit with a 25-point penalty in both the driver and team owner standings for bumping Denny Hamlin out of position during a late-race caution period in Sunday’s AutoTrader EchoPark Automotive 500 – a punishment that carries significant playoff implications. He was also fined $50,000.
Byron was third in the Cup Series Playoffs with a 17-point cushion above the elimination line before the penalty. He’ll now enter Sunday’s YellaWood 500 (2 p.m. ET, NBC, NBC Sports App, MRN, SiriusXM) at Talladega Superspeedway ranked 10th out of the 12 remaining title-eligible drivers and eight points below the provisional elimination line. Two races are left in the Round of 12 – Sunday at Talladega and Oct. 9 at Charlotte Motor Speedway’s road course.
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Gibbs, in his 10th Cup Series start for 23XI Racing in place of the injured Kurt Busch, was fined $75,000 for veering into the No. 42 Petty GMS Chevrolet of Ty Dillon on pit road. That aggressive contact came in close proximity to pit-crew personnel and NASCAR officials working in a nearby pit stall.
Gibbs, 19, was not issued a points penalty since he is an Xfinity Series regular who does not collect Cup Series points. But his No. 23 Toyota team was handed a 25-point deduction in the owner standings.
It’s the second time this year that Gibbs has been penalized for unsafe driving on pit road. He was fined $15,000 for making contact with Sam Mayer’s car in the pits after an Xfinity Series race at Martinsville in April. That retaliation led to post-race fisticuffs between the two drivers.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 5:00 pm to SPEEDY
Did Gibbs praise the lord for his penalty?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:30 pm to BuckyCheese
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