re: 2022 NASCAR Season Thread - 2022-23 Offseason

Bye

I swear he had a win pulled in that time period.

Harvick was DQ'd in 2018 but he was able to keep the win. But he got no points.

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Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem that they need to figure out a solution for. You have to find a way to keep illegal cars off the track entirely. Taking away wins ruins the credibility of the sport. I understand its on the teams to follow the rules, but 1) we all know none of them do, at least not to the letter and 2) people don't want to watch a sport then have to figure out who won hours after the fact or even the next day.

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But they did do something about it they took the win away. That will help prevent others from doing it.

Do you remember when they had the room of death at track and teams were missing quali due to long inspections? Massive labor on both sides.

Nascar and teams worked together over the past few years to cut costs for teams, to help smaller teams. The one lug is designed to help costs. They all agreed to cut pit crew staffs down. They cut down on so many inspections as requested by teams.

Part of these cost cutting agreements was there would not be the same tolerence of prior car generations - you get caught cheating and big penalties await including taking wins away.

Keep in mind nascar has way more teams/cars than other sports and teams have lots of money to hire specialists. They all agreed to cut some of the extra inspections to save everyone money but fines bigger if caught.

My guess is the 19 and 20 and 23 were also cheated up (Bubba did not all the sudden get good at driving lol). But after the race they pick the inspection cars (top 2 a d randoms) and the rest are released to teams. Once that happens then a bit later they find the 11/18 issues - its too late to go inspect all related cars due to chain of custody. So its likely they had it too but too late to bring back due to custody.

This cheat gave them an aero advantage no diff than Keslowski. They shod be given same type severe penalties. Only diff is they found Keslowsi’s at their HQ a few days after race.

Again, teams agreed to new way of policing, they are not going backwards to massive pre race inspections due to costs and smaller teams would be hurt the most. Teams know wins can be taken away.

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he was blackflagged for turning Davey Allison. I'm talking about losing a race win in the tech shed after

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Yeah you are correct. I found an article about it. And it happened in '91, not '89.

I know Harvick was DQ'd in tech in '18, but was allowed to keep the win.

What I am seeing reported today is that it was made crystal clear to the teams … even if fans didn’t get the message … that the “Bill France Rule” about not changing the winner once fans left the track was no longer in effect, is gone, kaput, never ever coming back, and that if teams touched things that they had been forbidden to touch, there would be hell to pay and severe consequences.

Apparently they meant it.

Comparing to other sports is just dumb and lazy. We have complex mechanical cars compared to sticks and balls.

You continue to miss the key points: They agreed not to do complex pre race inspections but did agree to severe penalties if caught after the race.

I fricking hate woke nascar but this was not some surprise to the teams. They all signed on the dotted line.

Gibbs cheated and got caught at the track after race. Win taken away. Simple. I bet they stop cheating too. No massive cluster F needed for all teams pre race. If you are a small team this is great news.

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You continue to miss the key points: They agreed not to do complex pre race inspections but did agree to severe penalties if caught after the race.

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I'm not missing them, I've said multiple times that I understand the system (and agree with the ruling because that is the system we use currently) I just do not like the system.

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No massive cluster F needed for all teams pre race.

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If its a massive cluster frick, find a way to do it better. I would argue changing an outcome is a bigger clusterfrick than the inconvenience of inspecting cars, but to each their own.

I agree w/others here and on other sites that Gibbs was trying stuff for the playoffs and they went too far and got caught.

They won't be trying anything now.

BTW, I never heard that JGR was appealing. Noon was the cut-off. Anyone see anything different?

An appeal is kind of pointless when its for a win taken away after a review of the car

Its just an extra headache for everyone, for us only to be told the next day/later in the week that its upheld.

Thx.

So Chase is officially the winner.