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re: 2022 NASCAR Season Thread - 2022-23 Offseason
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:14 pm to Hurricane Mike
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:14 pm to Hurricane Mike
It has to be bad enough to DQ them. This new car has specific air flow and ducting that comes through front. My guess is they did somethijg that increased the air coming in that is then dufused in different ways. More air coming in means less air resistance.
I would bet the other Gibbs/23x were also using it if Gibbs supplied them? All Toyotas got better recently. And the other cars are not scrutinized as much as top 2 this why no other cars DQ’d. They pick 2 other random cars and none were Gibbs related.
If they made an entry point bigger but covered it up with wrap that has some give - then under speed the wrap would flex to allow more air yet when idle woukd flex back and appear normal. When wrap is taken off post race inspection its noticed - but I wonder if they were tipped off or was it that noticable?
I would bet the other Gibbs/23x were also using it if Gibbs supplied them? All Toyotas got better recently. And the other cars are not scrutinized as much as top 2 this why no other cars DQ’d. They pick 2 other random cars and none were Gibbs related.
If they made an entry point bigger but covered it up with wrap that has some give - then under speed the wrap would flex to allow more air yet when idle woukd flex back and appear normal. When wrap is taken off post race inspection its noticed - but I wonder if they were tipped off or was it that noticable?
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 12:02 am to OU Guy
The other Toyota may nit have used what the 11 and 18 did. I remember when changed their plate cars to a deeper sound initially it was just the 24/48 that used it. 2004 I think. The the next plate race all of them used it.
Could've been a test run for the Chase.
Could've been a test run for the Chase.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:57 am to Lonnie Utah
Just do inspections before the race. Don't let illegal cars on the track at all. What do you do if an illegal car wrecks a legal one? There is no justice in that situation.
Now I highly doubt more than half of the cars are total legal anyway
Also, does anyone honestly believe Chase was legal in Phoenix when he won it? Or for that matter, anyone at any championship since they changed the format? If you won't DQ them then, why do it now?
Pre-race inspections fix all of this. Then if people do cheat they aren't going to bring stuff they can't take off the car fairly easily if its caught at the very least.
Now I highly doubt more than half of the cars are total legal anyway
Also, does anyone honestly believe Chase was legal in Phoenix when he won it? Or for that matter, anyone at any championship since they changed the format? If you won't DQ them then, why do it now?
Pre-race inspections fix all of this. Then if people do cheat they aren't going to bring stuff they can't take off the car fairly easily if its caught at the very least.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:04 am to xtremecouture23
Maybe Chase can give Denny’s daughter a post race ride next time.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:36 am to TrussvilleTide
Everyone pushes the envelope. We know this, JGR was just careless enough to get caught.
They don't do pre-race inspections anymore and haven't since 2020. They do post-qualifying inspection and Denny failed that twice this w/e. So the antenna was already up. If you fail it 3X the CC gets suspended and you start in the back.
The difference is in qualifying tech they don't take the wrap off of the cars like they do in post-race tech. And the way you find a compromised fascia is by taking the wrap off. And again, w/Denny failing qualifying tech twice on Friday then winning the antenna was already up and the winner always gets inspected as it is.
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Pre-race inspections fix all of this
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Just do inspections before the race
They don't do pre-race inspections anymore and haven't since 2020. They do post-qualifying inspection and Denny failed that twice this w/e. So the antenna was already up. If you fail it 3X the CC gets suspended and you start in the back.
The difference is in qualifying tech they don't take the wrap off of the cars like they do in post-race tech. And the way you find a compromised fascia is by taking the wrap off. And again, w/Denny failing qualifying tech twice on Friday then winning the antenna was already up and the winner always gets inspected as it is.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:37 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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They don't do pre-race inspections anymore and haven't since 2020
I know, thats why I said
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Just do inspections before the race
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:39 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Like someone said earlier, they were probably just testing the envelope to see if they got caught before the playoffs start.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:48 am to EarlyCuyler3
I feel like all the Gibbs/23XI guys might have had whatever the 11 and 18 got caught with, luckily for them they didn’t finish in the top 5 so didn’t get checked.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:52 am to TrussvilleTide
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I know, thats why I said
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Just do inspections before the race
And I just told you that they don't do them before the race anymore, they do them after qualifying. And they are not nearly as thorough as post-race tech.
Don't be dense.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:52 am to tWildcat
I don't doubt it in the least.
Haven't heard if JGR is gonna appeal. They have till noon.
Haven't heard if JGR is gonna appeal. They have till noon.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:55 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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And I just told you that they don't do them before the race anymore
Which is why I said
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Just do inspections before the race
Them not doing them before the race is why I suggest they do them before the race
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Don't be dense.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:59 am to TrussvilleTide
They haven't done true pre-race tech since 2020 due to COVID and that isn't changing any time soon.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:01 am to SteelerBravesDawg
What they have done and are going to do does not mean it is what they should do.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:20 am to TrussvilleTide
Well why don't you go take your concerns to Steve Phelps.
Again, contrarian b/c reasons.
Again, contrarian b/c reasons.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:26 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Again, contrarian b/c reasons.
Saying they should do inspections before the race is contrarian? Wanting to have the race resolved when the cars cross the finish line is contrarian? Is Bill France a contrarian?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:29 am to SteelerBravesDawg
And if they all did do what the 11 and 18 did I wouldn’t appeal the DQ’s. Of course by now they’ve probably fixed whatever the infraction was since the rest were able to take their cars.
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:47 am to TrussvilleTide
They don’t have capability to do pre race inspextikns to the depth needed. Its been stated several times the cars are wrapped when they show up at track, this is done at team shops. You can’t unwrap them prior to race.
After the race they inspect top 5 plus 2 randoms but they tear down top 2 more.
For those conspiracy people Rowdy is losing his M&M sponsorship rumor is he was paid $25m per year. This was their sponsored race. Maybe Gibbs thought if they coild win with the 18 car that would help. If nascar was fixing races they would have wanted him to win, so this doesn’t help that point.
In 2019 Chastain had a truck win taken away. Nascar told teams 2 years ago wins were on table to be taken in cup.
Prior to this year they worked with teams to cut costs and they all agreed to it but nascar said no tolerence - look at Keslowski. They want parity and told teams not to go over the line. This is the penalty. I heard they put bondo on fascia and thats a huge no no.
Adter Keslowski teams knew not to mess with cars. This hapoens all the time in lower divisions of local racing. I don’t fault Gibbs for trying and I don’t fault Nascar for taking win away.
After the race they inspect top 5 plus 2 randoms but they tear down top 2 more.
For those conspiracy people Rowdy is losing his M&M sponsorship rumor is he was paid $25m per year. This was their sponsored race. Maybe Gibbs thought if they coild win with the 18 car that would help. If nascar was fixing races they would have wanted him to win, so this doesn’t help that point.
In 2019 Chastain had a truck win taken away. Nascar told teams 2 years ago wins were on table to be taken in cup.
Prior to this year they worked with teams to cut costs and they all agreed to it but nascar said no tolerence - look at Keslowski. They want parity and told teams not to go over the line. This is the penalty. I heard they put bondo on fascia and thats a huge no no.
Adter Keslowski teams knew not to mess with cars. This hapoens all the time in lower divisions of local racing. I don’t fault Gibbs for trying and I don’t fault Nascar for taking win away.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:23 am to OU Guy
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They don’t have capability to do pre race inspextikns to the depth needed. Its been stated several times the cars are wrapped when they show up at track, this is done at team shops. You can’t unwrap them prior to race.
After the race they inspect top 5 plus 2 randoms but they tear down top 2 more.
Sure, but that doesn't mean it isn't a problem that they need to figure out a solution for. You have to find a way to keep illegal cars off the track entirely. Taking away wins ruins the credibility of the sport. I understand its on the teams to follow the rules, but 1) we all know none of them do, at least not to the letter and 2) people don't want to watch a sport then have to figure out who won hours after the fact or even the next day.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:30 am to TrussvilleTide
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Is Bill France a contrarian?
Bill France is room temperature.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:35 am to SteelerBravesDawg
You didn't answer the other questions. Do you think wanting to know the result of the race when the cars cross the finish line is a contrarian point? Or are you just throwing the word around because you saw it on your leap pad tablet lesson this morning?
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