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Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:34 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Absolutely. But do they cannibalize each other in the WDC standings?
It is Ferrari, they are not allowed to eat their own. It has been a minute since there was any reason to but Ferrari is the most ruthless on the grid using team orders. Given Carlos beat Charles last year they will likely let it play out for a couple more weeks but after that they will knight a #1 and go from there.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:41 pm to Obtuse1
Charles should be the #1 driver on the team. He just seems to have that little bit extra moxie/drive/talent/speed whatever you want to call it in the same mold as Max, Hamilton and Alonso that I don't see in Carlos.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 8:58 pm to Obtuse1
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Ferrari is the most ruthless on the grid using team orders.
I think that’s evidenced by Carlos’s response after coming in P2. He looked despondent.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:03 pm to BuckyCheese
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bit more wing
Not correcting you since that could actually be the case but this year we are at a disadvantage because we have no real idea about the relative effectiveness of the individual team's floors.
I watched a side by side of a Hamilton and Leclerc race lap last night showing where Charles was gaining speed. Several things jumped out at me. First, the Ferrari accelerates faster. This is a complex combination of slip angle, weight balance, tire grip and power curve so it can't be nailed down to any one thing but the difference was remarkable. Charles was braking later and running wider apexes suggesting the Ferrari is more stable and has more grip. The other thing was the F1-75 at the exact same speeds was running 300-400 fewer RPMs. This indicated more power if you can accelerate (past the point where you might get tire spin) faster from lower revs at least in a formula series where the engine architecture is the same so the torque/hp curves will likely have very similar shapes.
Back to the RB18 and F1-75: it just amazes me how different the cars behave at different points on the track but end up fairly close at the end of a lap and how the F1-75 is able to overcome the speed difference on the front straight even factoring out DRS. It was amazing to see how far out Max could attack the first corner after the first pit stops but Charles could come right back and take him at the 4th turn.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:17 pm to Obtuse1
One of the other customer drivers, Bottas I think, said they were reall6 surprised with the engine coming out of corners. They could really get the torque/power down.
You brought up the sector times and it made me think back to that being a likely source. But the other Ferrari powered teams didn't exactly follow with times.
Some analysis of Max attacking Leclerc had RBR underestimating their braking ability. Max was told he was only going to have one shot and he didn't use everything available. Which gave him additional chances, eventually the brakes couldn't take it though and he spent the tires as well.
You brought up the sector times and it made me think back to that being a likely source. But the other Ferrari powered teams didn't exactly follow with times.
Some analysis of Max attacking Leclerc had RBR underestimating their braking ability. Max was told he was only going to have one shot and he didn't use everything available. Which gave him additional chances, eventually the brakes couldn't take it though and he spent the tires as well.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:20 pm to Obtuse1
Almost makes you think Ferrari are running a longer stroke than the other teams. More torque/lower peak RPM usually says longer stroke in "normal" race engines.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:21 pm to fightin tigers
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You would think they at least did a few light runs if not. Maybe they burned more fuel than they predicted or they never ran that light. Both were just 1-2 laps short.
I read or watched something yesterday that said they didn't make any low fuel runs in testing. Maybe it was on the-race. Basically saying they never created the situation in testing.
While it looks like the fuel pump may not have been the issue I do find it delicious that they are built in Italy.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:24 pm to weagle99
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I think the hit and spin messed up Mick’s car.
This season should tell us alot about his talent level I think.
I read a lot of people shitting on Mick on the various fora yesterday but the spin couldn't have been good for the car and they threw a Hail Mary at the end and left him out on old tires so after the safety car he was a sitting duck so he looked horrible as he got past one after another.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:31 pm to Lsut81
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I made the joke after Friday’s practices about how many cars would fail with parts flying off and other issues….
Given the major tech changes this year the low attrition rate was amazing. Back in the olde days having 50% of the cars finish the first race would have been excellent. Even in the last 20 years championships have been lost as a result of a $2 dollar part. Then again V10s spinning at 20k allows for a huge array of failure modes.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:39 pm to Obtuse1
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Back to the RB18 and F1-75: it just amazes me how different the cars behave at different points on the track but end up fairly close at the end of a lap and how the F1-75 is able to overcome the speed difference on the front straight even factoring out DRS. It was amazing to see how far out Max could attack the first corner after the first pit stops but Charles could come right back and take him at the 4th turn.
You'll gain more time being faster on the first half of the front straight than the back half if DRS is not in play. That's why when saving fuel, by backing out early, there is not a significant lengthening of lap times.
A big reason Max was seemingly embarrassing LeClerc into one was the fact Charles wanted him in front in the DRS detection zone. He wasn't racing him hard into one as the detection zone is well before turn in.
I used the generic "more wing" to point out the RB's likely have less aero drag versus those it beats on the top end. And saying that, Merc/Toto specifically said they had more wing than they wanted on one car. If you want to believe Toto or not is obviously up to the listener.
The most time is made in the slowest sections of the track. 10 mph at the absolute top end won't gain anywhere near the same time as a 10 mph gain in a low to medium speed corner.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:40 pm to Obtuse1
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I do find it delicious that they are built in Italy
Explains why the fuel pump adhesive would be allergic to fuel.
I bet it is a beautiful fuel pump though.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:43 pm to BuckyCheese
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And saying that, Merc/Toto specifically said they had more wing than they wanted on one car. If you want to believe Toto or not is obviously up to the listener.
His reasoning of "we didn't have the parts made yet" is kind of revealing of how quickly advancements are made on these cars.
I can't imagine how little wing we will see in Saudi
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:48 pm to 225rumpshaker
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Leeds
Let's go fricking mental, let's go frickin' mental la la la la LEEDS la la la la LEEDS!
Posted on 3/21/22 at 9:57 pm to fightin tigers
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His reasoning of "we didn't have the parts made yet" is kind of revealing of how quickly advancements are made on these cars.
They're probably laying CF 24/7 back at the shop.
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I can't imagine how little wing we will see in Saudi
Just rewatched the 2021 race. Not a load of wing on those cars.
And the track sucks.
Miles and miles of nothing but desert and they make a street circuit. ugh
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:00 pm to BuckyCheese
Believe this is the last year at the circuit. Should have the new one in 2023.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:07 pm to fightin tigers
“It’s easier to shed drag off the car because you simply take a chainsaw and cut the rear wing to bits, and so that’s what we will do for Jeddah,” said Wolff.
Wonder if Toto is a Stihl or Husqvarna man?
Wonder if Toto is a Stihl or Husqvarna man?
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:13 pm to fightin tigers
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Believe this is the last year at the circuit. Should have the new one in 2023.
Last year was the first race. They're replacing it already?
I mean they should. It's a terrible track other than the banked corner.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:30 pm to BuckyCheese
Was digging around for more poop on the Shell fuel and happened across this picture. Matty looks like such a 12yo boy at an Italian private school. 
ETA does anyone remember when Shell would send out Ferrari stickers? I have 4 or 5 sets with my F1 junk they sent me in the 2000s.
I meant to post the heat map last night and forgot to.
ETA does anyone remember when Shell would send out Ferrari stickers? I have 4 or 5 sets with my F1 junk they sent me in the 2000s.
I meant to post the heat map last night and forgot to.
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