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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:03 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:03 pm to Obtuse1
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BTW there are rumblings along the pitwall that some teams think Haas may be too cozy with Ferrari, which I understand why they might think they were too close now but something something deez nutz.
With the cost cap a lot of former Ferrari employees are now working at the new Haas building in Maranello. Let them talk.
Saying that, there is generally one optimized design for a given set of design regs. Over the next few years I wouldn't be surprised to see the cars evolve to look pretty similar.
Either way, short of hard evidence like smoking gun emails it's pretty hard to prove any cooperation. Hell, the cars are sitting there on the grid for them to look at.
eta-If they are cooperating they aren't doing a great job of it as the Haas was over a second a lap behind the Ferrari's.
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 5:05 pm
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:06 pm to Obtuse1
quote:I don’t know if we can say that yet. I think it shows Charles’ ability more than anything else, which we’ve already seen (Silverstone 2019). Charles admitted he was braking early to let Max overtake so he could get DRS going into those turns today.
The early fight between Leclerc and Max showed how the new formula translates to the ability to fight on the track.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:13 pm to Street Hawk
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Is this the first season in Hamilton's career where he could end up not winning a single race?
It could happen but it is unlikely in a season this long. However, Lewis being an also-ran is one of the best things that could happen for F1 and in particular a lot of the new fans. I saw it in the early 2000s with the huge influx of Schumacher fans they had to learn the lesson it isn't the driver it is the car stupid. There were a large group of them that thought Michael could have won regularly in a mid-pack car. Irvine almost won in 99 and had he been the #1 driver from the beginning of the season he would have won. Had he stayed in the car and kept #1 status he would have won in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2004*. Irvine would be a 5 time WDC... Just like those Schumacher fans, a group of HAM fans need a dose of reality. 7X does not equal better than 2X, 3X, or 4X just on the face. Even as a huge Michael fan 7X is not part of the argument of where he sits in the pantheon of drivers.
* he probably wouldn't have beaten Kimi and JPM in 2003 that year required someone with the talent of MSC.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:14 pm to Drewbie
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No doubt Magnussen himself will steadily improve as well the more he's back in an F1 car. Some legitimate reason to be pretty damn excited at Haas this year. So awesome to see after all the shite they've been through the last couple of years.
One thing to remember is Mags was twice dropped by F1 teams. Including Haas. While he is definitely a feel good story, and I'm pulling for him, he is not among the very best drivers on the grid. He's probably close to Perez who no one thinks is a number one driver for a top team.
What I'm getting at is with a Max/Ham/Leclerc in the car it would be at least a few tenths quicker than Mags has gotten out of it. That would have put it right with, if not in front of, the Mercs today.
Again, not slagging on Mags. He's a good driver that brings needed stability to Haas. What I am saying is a guy making a living driving sportscars in IMSA, at age 29, after two shots at F1 is not top flight.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:33 pm to Pecker
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I don’t know if we can say that yet. I think it shows Charles’ ability more than anything else, which we’ve already seen (Silverstone 2019). Charles admitted he was braking early to let Max overtake so he could get DRS going into those turns today.
That is indicative of next-level racecraft that people like Lauda, Prost, and Schumacher had innately. Someone on the pitwall should have identified (especially after the first time) and relayed to Max that he should have snuggled up to Charles in turn 1 stayed on his bumper through turn 3 and made the move into 4 where move would stuck. Max could have compromised his turn 1 by going around the outside but allowing better acceleration out of 1 in order to stay right with Leclerc through 2 and 3. Make note this doesn't mean Leclerc actually had this figured out he could have been racing turn by turn and it would appear the same way from the outside.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:35 pm to Obtuse1
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BTW there are rumblings along the pitwall that some teams think Haas may be too cozy with Ferrari, which I understand why they might think they were too close now but something something deez nutz.
Otmar, ironically, seems to be back on that quest to eliminate the collaboration.
Saw some of his yammering in the media about parts looking the same and what are the odds.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:37 pm to Obtuse1
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Max that he should have snuggled up to Charles in turn 1 stayed on his bumper through turn 3 and made the move into 4 where move would stuck.
Looked like Hamilton was moving to do that on Perez before the spin.
Max seemed to overcook turn 1 trying to go faster and distance himself.
That Ferrari was just too quick for that.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:40 pm to Obtuse1
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Just like those Schumacher fans, a group of HAM fans need a dose of reality
I think you are selling HAM a bit short here. He is proven to be the total package in terms of not only pure pace but also elite race craft and elite race management. He might not be number 1 at any of those things, but I would argue his average ranking across those categories is higher than anyone else on the grid by a substantial margin.
He has won multiple races with midfield level cars and has beaten world champion teammates more often than not.
Yes the car plays a large role, but I would still take hamilton over anyone from this era in an equal car.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:49 pm to JohnnyKilroy
No one is saying Ham is not a great driver.
The point, as I read it, is 7 championships doesn't automatically make him the best ever. Just as it doesn't for Shu.
Senna is generally considered the best and he doesn't have 7. (A lot, or most, of todays Ham fans never saw Senna race.)
Frankly, due to differences in eras/cars I say it's difficult to truly name a best ever. I mean who's to say Jimmy Clark or Fangio were not better than Senna?
The point, as I read it, is 7 championships doesn't automatically make him the best ever. Just as it doesn't for Shu.
Senna is generally considered the best and he doesn't have 7. (A lot, or most, of todays Ham fans never saw Senna race.)
Frankly, due to differences in eras/cars I say it's difficult to truly name a best ever. I mean who's to say Jimmy Clark or Fangio were not better than Senna?
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 3/20/22 at 5:56 pm to fightin tigers
If Haas can maintain being in contention for the "best of the rest" constructors championship, they have a realistic chance of finishing P5 if Mick steps it up. Maybe that's a little optimistic, but it's safe to say they will finish several places above last year's abysmal result.
Now, imagine if Mazespin and that Uralkali sponsorship stayed with the team. Mick would have scored 1 pt (instead of KMag's 10 pts), and Mazespin would have been somewhere further down. I think the value of KMag's results will far exceed what they lost when they parted with Mazespin and daddy's money.
Now, imagine if Mazespin and that Uralkali sponsorship stayed with the team. Mick would have scored 1 pt (instead of KMag's 10 pts), and Mazespin would have been somewhere further down. I think the value of KMag's results will far exceed what they lost when they parted with Mazespin and daddy's money.
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Saying farewell to Nikita Mazepin isn’t a big loss for Haas but ending their sponsorship deal with Uralkali will cost the team “$10 million” per season reports GlobalData.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 6:02 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
$10 million is dirt cheap for a primary sponsorship in F1.
Yes, they are money ahead assuming they perform at an average level through the season.
eta-I know Haas was getting pretty testy about throwing good money after bad. That may have led to the poor decision to take Maz as a pay driver.
Yes, they are money ahead assuming they perform at an average level through the season.
eta-I know Haas was getting pretty testy about throwing good money after bad. That may have led to the poor decision to take Maz as a pay driver.
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 6:04 pm
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Posted on 3/20/22 at 6:04 pm to rickgrimes
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When you are trying to click on the 2022 F1 season thread, but instead click on the 2022 Nascar thread by mistake:
I watched a few Nascar races waiting for F1 to kick off this year, and I do NOT recommend.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 6:12 pm to sorantable
I'm watching the Nascar race now. A fan from decades ago and have been shaking my head at what the France family has done to it over the past 15 years.
They made Atlanta into a mini Daytona. Idiots running the show and the announcing is for the lowest common denominator. They feel the need to explain the basics weekly.
They made Atlanta into a mini Daytona. Idiots running the show and the announcing is for the lowest common denominator. They feel the need to explain the basics weekly.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 6:55 pm to BuckyCheese
These huge swells in popularity can't hold. Eventually Liberty will have to deal with fans falling off. Hope they don't resort to foolish gimmicks.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:02 pm to fightin tigers
Sounds like RBR's problems were with a spec part that is common to all teams. It was a known problem and McLaren actually was allowed to swap theirs out after qualifying when they found a problem with it.
The new fuel is breaking down the resin/plastic coating the electronics in the fuel pump which then causes a short circuit.
I have queued up this video to the time where it is discussed.
https://youtu.be/UJGsViYGf9Y?t=660
The new fuel is breaking down the resin/plastic coating the electronics in the fuel pump which then causes a short circuit.
I have queued up this video to the time where it is discussed.
https://youtu.be/UJGsViYGf9Y?t=660
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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I think you are selling HAM a bit short here.
LOL. If I say Schumacher fans needed a dose of reality and you think saying the same of HAM fans is selling him short, well that's on you. If I put a driver in the same boat as MSC, Prost and Senna there is zero reason to get defensive. I wasn't talking about the driver anyway I was talking about the fans.
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He has won multiple races with midfield level cars
This I have to refute. Hamilton has never spent a season in a mid-field car in his entire F1 career or won in a mid-field car. Outside of wet races or other circumstances that nullify the car advantage drivers in F1 just don't win in mid-field cars. That was the entire point, deluded fans that think some driver walks on water, not a single one ever has.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:13 pm to sorantable
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I watched a few Nascar races waiting for F1 to kick off this year, and I do NOT recommend.
Why? The racing has been good this year. Maybe the best it has been in years. Just like any other racing series, it has it shares of good and bad races. F1 is the same way.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:21 pm to bikerack
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Sounds like RBR's problems were with a spec part that is common to all teams. It was a known problem and McLaren actually was allowed to swap theirs out after qualifying when they found a problem with it.
The new fuel is breaking down the resin/plastic coating the electronics in the fuel pump which then causes a short circuit.
I've heard this theory, but Scarbs is guessing at this point. I haven't seen RBR blame a pump failure yet and I would expect Marko to be yelling from the rafters if that were the case.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:26 pm to BuckyCheese
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$10 million is dirt cheap for a primary sponsorship in F1.
Surely it was more than $10mm.
$25 maybe.
Oracle is giving Red Bull $100mm a year, and Bybit $50 mm a year.
Obviously haas isn’t going to command near that much, but surely it was more than $10mm.
Posted on 3/20/22 at 7:27 pm to fightin tigers
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I haven't seen RBR blame a pump failure yet
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/status/1505591579410579460
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A tough result to take. We need to do a full investigation, but it looks like both Bulls suffered from a suspected fuel pump issue.
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