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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:34 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:34 pm to fightin tigers
They need to bring refueling back.
Added a lot of strategy.
Added a lot of strategy.
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 6:49 pm to BuckyCheese
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They need to bring refueling back.
And V10s. And pit girls. And different tire manufacturers.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:41 pm to OU Guy
quote:What does this even mean? Red flags exist right now in F1 today, so how is this an argument against the red flags in an end of race scenario?
Once you red flag and let drivers out they can go pee and that messes up post race weigh ins.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:23 am to BuckyCheese
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They need to bring refueling back.
Added a lot of strategy.
Agreed. With the tire strategy and fuel loads it could open us up for more actual racing instead of hill climb type lap monitoring.
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:45 am to fightin tigers
Not happening.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:53 am to TexasTiger33
quote:This solves all problems for me. Endorse
And V10s. And pit girls
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:14 pm to fightin tigers
It's a safety decision though, is it not? I don't see them rolling back any of the stuff mentioned here.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:31 pm to EarlyCuyler3
Safety to a large extent. Also money.
This is the new penny pinching F1 so the financials of refueling systems likely will keep them prohibited for a while.
This is the new penny pinching F1 so the financials of refueling systems likely will keep them prohibited for a while.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:41 pm to fightin tigers
I had to look it up, didn't realize F1 used gas. I was thinking more of the methanol fires that were terrifying.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:43 pm to EarlyCuyler3
They use some strange stuff. The rules that govern the fuel are extensive and each engine manufacturer develops their own fuel.
Shell has a lot of experience in biofuels and that is rumored to have given an edge to Ferrari in the fuel regs.
Shell has a lot of experience in biofuels and that is rumored to have given an edge to Ferrari in the fuel regs.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:56 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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It's a safety decision though, is it not? I don't see them rolling back any of the stuff mentioned here.
Indycars fuel just fine.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:04 pm to BuckyCheese
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Indycars fuel just fine.
Does the stacking play into it though? They don't do that in Indy.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:24 pm to BuckyCheese
No one wants another bbq Verstappen
Part of the issue is F1 pressurized their fueling systems, or at least force loaded. Indy did the same and had a bunch of invisible fires.
I definitely think there are options now to make refueling safe, but F1 will find a way to make it expensive.
Part of the issue is F1 pressurized their fueling systems, or at least force loaded. Indy did the same and had a bunch of invisible fires.
I definitely think there are options now to make refueling safe, but F1 will find a way to make it expensive.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 1:57 pm to fightin tigers
Yeah the problem is that F1 insists on really fast pit stops, so to keep up with the three guys per corner tire changing, they need to do pressurized refueling. If they would go to gravity-fed refueling it would be safer. I don't see any reason for 3-sec pit stops except to say "look how fast we are compared to other race series!"
Also, IndyCar fuel is safer than F1. It used to be methanol, now it's E85, and I think next year they are going to 100% ethanol*. An alcohol-based fire is much easier to extinguish, just pour water on it. At every IndyCar refueling stop, when the hose it pulled out someone squirts water at the car to prevent any spilled fuel from igniting.
*They're going to have to protect their refueling trucks between races from robbers.
Also, IndyCar fuel is safer than F1. It used to be methanol, now it's E85, and I think next year they are going to 100% ethanol*. An alcohol-based fire is much easier to extinguish, just pour water on it. At every IndyCar refueling stop, when the hose it pulled out someone squirts water at the car to prevent any spilled fuel from igniting.
*They're going to have to protect their refueling trucks between races from robbers.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:07 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
Alex Palou has settled his dispute with Chip Ganassi. Palou will race for Ganassi in IndyCar next year, while being free to test for McLaren in F1.
McLaren is already putting him to work. Palou and Pato O'Ward are in Barthelona this week testing last year's McLaren. The tweet only mentions Palou and O'Ward, but news reports say Colton Herta will also test this week.
https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1570057471141773313
McLaren seems serious about eventually bringing an IndyCar driver over if a seat opens up in the next couple of years. 2021 IndyCar champion Palou has enough points for a superlicense. My understanding is that O'Ward had to finish 4th or higher this year to get enough superlicense points, but he finished 7th in the championship, so I don't think he has the points. Colton Herta also doesn't have enough points. The buzz is that AlphaTauri will sign Herta if he can get an exception to the points requirement, but so far it doesn't seem like the FIA is going to budge on that.
McLaren is already putting him to work. Palou and Pato O'Ward are in Barthelona this week testing last year's McLaren. The tweet only mentions Palou and O'Ward, but news reports say Colton Herta will also test this week.
https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1570057471141773313
McLaren seems serious about eventually bringing an IndyCar driver over if a seat opens up in the next couple of years. 2021 IndyCar champion Palou has enough points for a superlicense. My understanding is that O'Ward had to finish 4th or higher this year to get enough superlicense points, but he finished 7th in the championship, so I don't think he has the points. Colton Herta also doesn't have enough points. The buzz is that AlphaTauri will sign Herta if he can get an exception to the points requirement, but so far it doesn't seem like the FIA is going to budge on that.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 2:14 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Yeah the problem is that F1 insists on really fast pit stops, so to keep up with the three guys per corner tire changing,
One guy per corner should be plenty. Frankly it's ridiculous that they need like 15 guys to do a pitstop.
Gravity fueling and two tire changers. Save on the budget.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 3:44 pm to BuckyCheese
Endurance series forbid touching the car until the fueling is complete. This is the safest but F1 would never go for it. However it's done safely, I would love to see cars running light fuel and blasting out front trying to do the fuel undercut. Make those engineers earn their money.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 4:59 pm to UncleFestersLegs
I'm sure there are things they can do with the electronics and fuel nozzle to prevent the car from moving if it's still engaged. (Actually it seems like they already do this. Indy?)
Anyway, make the tire change take longer than the fueling and that would remove most of the issues that they have had in the past.
But yes, some dudes on low fuel blasting away at the start while the tankers run a different strat is interesting.
Ferrari (and Haas) would be so fricked...
Anyway, make the tire change take longer than the fueling and that would remove most of the issues that they have had in the past.
But yes, some dudes on low fuel blasting away at the start while the tankers run a different strat is interesting.
Ferrari (and Haas) would be so fricked...
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:51 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
I would love to see how all these Indy guys do in F1. I think they would all surprise people.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 7:08 am to BuckyCheese
quote:I'm not sure about now but I've seen plenty of clips of indy cars blasting away from the pits and dragging half the fueling rig with them until the nozzle shears off. Maybe they've addressed this by now though
Actually it seems like they already do this. Indy?)
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