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re: 2014 / 2015 Houston Rockets thread. Latest news: Rockets sign Tarik Black
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:43 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:43 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:Truth.
What? I don't have an argument. My observation is that you are greatly exaggerating the demise of the Rockets simply because you don't like them. Not just you, other tards. You haven't heard me say the off season was a home run, but don't confuse the letdown of what might have been with big step back.
They are looking for failure by comparing what might have been to what is.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:47 pm to PrimeTime Money
Also, im starting a FFL for Houston sports fans not in the DAT league. It's going to be free since we are starting it so late
There's 5 so far
There's 5 so far
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:56 pm to Big Moe
I would but I'm in 3 already. Maybe we can put something together next year.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:48 pm to Big Moe
quote:
Okay and they didn't sign Bosh. You think they should have just thrown a max deal at a third option that prevents them from making any other moves in the next few years?
The part of my post that you quoted was directed to the poster who stated that "Cuban didn't think they'd match even if they signed Bosh". It wouldn't have made any sense for them to not match at that point, because they'd be over the cap, so it wouldn't really hurt them to do so.
I'm not arguing that they made mistake by not matching the Parsons' deal, but his price was set by Charlotte and Hayward.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:51 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
Asik - he sucked when he was on the Rockets but will be really good now. That's what I read on PT anyway, it just took a few months to sort it all out.
He's obviously more valuable to the Pelicans than he was to the Rockets. He was a redundant piece for Houston, not so much for the Pelicans.Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:53 pm to Epic Cajun
I gotcha 
After missing on Bosh, they couldn't. With Bosh it wouldn't have mattered because the cap space was tied up anyway
I just think a lot of people are sleeping on Ariza and over hyping Parsons
After missing on Bosh, they couldn't. With Bosh it wouldn't have mattered because the cap space was tied up anyway
I just think a lot of people are sleeping on Ariza and over hyping Parsons
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:13 pm to PortCityTiger24
quote:
What? I don't have an argument. My observation is that you are greatly exaggerating the demise of the Rockets simply because you don't like them.
I quoted a 6th place, 51 win (a whole 3 massive losses off last season's record) finish and the same exact playoff outcome as last season after losing Asik, Lin, Parsons, and adding Ariza.
And I'm the one exaggerating in this thread?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:27 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
Losing Asik, Lin
2 guys who were not valuable at all last season
Ariza is a downgrade as an overall player, but is a superior defender.
Although if the Rockets resigned Parsons you would be saying the Rockets regressed by not adding defense
Posted on 8/26/14 at 2:43 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:It wasn't the money that was the issue. It was the structure of the contract. So whether Bosh signed or not, the Rockets would be stuck with it.
The part of my post that you quoted was directed to the poster who stated that "Cuban didn't think they'd match even if they signed Bosh". It wouldn't have made any sense for them to not match at that point, because they'd be over the cap, so it wouldn't really hurt them to do so.
I'm not arguing that they made mistake by not matching the Parsons' deal, but his price was set by Charlotte and Hayward.
That's why Morey most likely was going to let Parsons walk no matter what. Cuban knew this because he knows how Morey operates, which is why they structured the contract the way they did.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 3:04 pm to Epic Cajun
Here are Cuban's exact words:
Question: What was your thought process during that whole time period (talking about the Parsons situation):
Cuban: "I mean, I didn't know what would happen... but I kind of knew that the Rockets were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Just because of the numbers.
We structured that contract specifically to put them in a situation - even though it probably cost us some money - that if Chris came, they were in a Brooklyn Nets type situation where this was their team, period, end of story. And it actually put them in a hard cap scenario too if they did a sign and trade... so, there were all kinds of "gotchas" that were involved.
So, you know... I was 90% confident we were going to get Chandler even if they got Chris Bosh, regardless of what they were saying. But... you know... we did the numbers and we did the structure for a reason and it turned out right."
Question: What was your thought process during that whole time period (talking about the Parsons situation):
Cuban: "I mean, I didn't know what would happen... but I kind of knew that the Rockets were damned if they did and damned if they didn't. Just because of the numbers.
We structured that contract specifically to put them in a situation - even though it probably cost us some money - that if Chris came, they were in a Brooklyn Nets type situation where this was their team, period, end of story. And it actually put them in a hard cap scenario too if they did a sign and trade... so, there were all kinds of "gotchas" that were involved.
So, you know... I was 90% confident we were going to get Chandler even if they got Chris Bosh, regardless of what they were saying. But... you know... we did the numbers and we did the structure for a reason and it turned out right."
Posted on 8/26/14 at 3:14 pm to Fall Creek Tiger
quote:
Ariza might be better than Parsons
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I don't get why people think Parsons is so much better than Ariza. Their stats are pretty comparable with Ariza having better advanced stats last season.
PER:
Parsons: 15.9
Ariza: 15.8
TS%:
Parsons: .565
Ariza: .590
TRB%:
Parsons: 8.2%
Ariza: 10.1%
STL%:
Parsons: 1.6%
Ariza: 2.4%
USG%:
Parsons: 19.3%
Ariza: 17.8%
ORTG:
Parsons: 114
Ariza: 113
DRTG:
Parsons: 108
Ariza: 104
NRTG:
Parsons: +6
Ariza: +9
WS/48:
Parsons: .131
Ariza: .141
The only area where Parsons was better was AST%:
Parsons: 17.3%
Ariza: 10.8%
So based on last year, Ariza was a better 3 point shooter, better defender, better free throw shooter, created more turnovers, and had about the same number of PPG based on minutes played.
You can feel that Parsons is the better player... but based on last year you can't find much to back that up.
PER:
Parsons: 15.9
Ariza: 15.8
TS%:
Parsons: .565
Ariza: .590
TRB%:
Parsons: 8.2%
Ariza: 10.1%
STL%:
Parsons: 1.6%
Ariza: 2.4%
USG%:
Parsons: 19.3%
Ariza: 17.8%
ORTG:
Parsons: 114
Ariza: 113
DRTG:
Parsons: 108
Ariza: 104
NRTG:
Parsons: +6
Ariza: +9
WS/48:
Parsons: .131
Ariza: .141
The only area where Parsons was better was AST%:
Parsons: 17.3%
Ariza: 10.8%
So based on last year, Ariza was a better 3 point shooter, better defender, better free throw shooter, created more turnovers, and had about the same number of PPG based on minutes played.
You can feel that Parsons is the better player... but based on last year you can't find much to back that up.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
The Rockets are rumored to be negotiating a sign and trade for Ramon Sessions
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:06 pm to Big Moe
quote:
Although if the Rockets resigned Parsons you would be saying the Rockets regressed by not adding defense
Couldn't both of these situations be true? It was a lose/lose scenario for the Rockets once they gave up Asik and Lin for practically nothing, in the hopes of landing another star. After Parsons signed the offer sheet the Rockets had basically three options/possible outcomes:
A. Sign Bosh and match Parsons=overall team is better than last season
B. Match the Parsons' deal=team is worse than last season because of lost depth from the Asik and Lin deals
C. Don't match the Parsons' deal and sign another free agent (Ariza)=team is worse offensively than last season, but better defensively. Team is still worse overall because of the lost depth from the Asik and Lin deals
The team isn't worse because they lost out on the big star free agents, because they never had those players to begin with (Melo or Bosh); they are worse because they gave up basically their entire bench depth for nothing, down graded their team offensively and upgraded their team defensively (a wash at best).
Posted on 8/26/14 at 10:43 pm to PrimeTime Money
Parsons is like 25. Ariza is like 34. Its not rockette science.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 12:42 am to Big Moe
quote:
The Rockets are rumored to be negotiating a sign and trade for Ramon Sessions
Any smoke on what they'd be trading? Non-guaranteed contracts and (a) pick(s)? I have no idea which of your players are actually tradeable currently.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:18 am to Galactic Inquisitor
It won't be Beverly, Ariza, or Jones (obviously not Harden or Howard).
I've heard D Mo is who would be going. Not sure what else, probably a draft pick. the Bucks have 15 players on the roster so they can't take on any extra
I've heard D Mo is who would be going. Not sure what else, probably a draft pick. the Bucks have 15 players on the roster so they can't take on any extra
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 2:19 am
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:32 am to PrimeTime Money
quote:
So based on last year, Ariza was a better 3 point shooter
quote:
the Wizards' point guard inflates the three-point percentages of his surrounding teammates. It's proven over multiple years: Wall has a knack of turning average three-point marksmen into good ones and good ones into great ones.
For whatever reason, Wall loves kicking the ball out to open three-point shooters. Wall pulled off the rare double duty of ranking No. 1 in the league in both corner and wing three-point assists last year. He had 22 more corner assists than the second-ranked player (LeBron James) and accounted for more by himself than the Kings and Bucks did as a team. Overall, Wall had 51 more three-point assists than the second-highest player in the league, a gap wider than the difference between the second-highest (Goran Dragic) and 12th-highest (James Harden) finisher. Nobody in the league is better at sucking defenders to him and finding open shooters. It's his patented assist.
Ariza's issue is that his best seasons as a player were during contract years and have seemly been outliers to the rest of his career.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:07 am to RTR America
quote:Where do you people come up with these stupid myths?
Ariza's issue is that his best seasons as a player were during contract years and have seemly been outliers to the rest of his career.
Ariza has had 3 contract years. 2005-2006 when he was with the Magic, 2008-2009 when he was with the Lakers, and this past year with the Wizards.
His first contract year, he did worse than his previous season across the board.
His "contract year" with the Lakers was virtually the same as the year before. Points per 100 possessions and points per 36 were virtually the same, FG% was better the year before, and everything else was virtually the same.
His "contract year" with the Washington Wizards was also very similar to his previous year. Per 36 he averaged 14.6 ppg compared to 13.0 the year before. The only difference is that he shot a bit better percentage wise last year, which is the reason for the slight increase in points per 36.
Ariza has played many roles as an NBA player. Sometimes he was a starter, and sometimes he came off the bench. His minutes vary a lot from year to year, so if you are only looking at stats per game, then you are going to get varying numbers.
But if you look at it on an even basis, like stats per 36 minutes or per 100 possessions, you will see that he's remained relatively consistent overall, and has improved as a player by gradually increasing his efficiency over the past 4 years.
He gradually increased his 3pt% the past 4 years:
.303
.333
.364
.407
So for you to say he only plays well during a contract year is ignorant.
You are just repeating things you heard others say without actually knowing for yourself. That's lazy.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 1:29 pm to Big Moe
quote:
2 guys who were not valuable at all last season
They played key roles in the series against the Blazers. If it wasn't for Asik, Aldridge would have been guarded by T-Jones and possibly D-Mo when Howard wasn't on him. Would have kept going off for 40+ like Games 1 and 2 instead of 25-30.
Without Lin, you don't win Game 5. He was huge off the bench.
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