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re: When would you all recommend getting a new car?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:57 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:57 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm married with an 7 week old, I know.
But again zero reasonto get a body on frame big honking SUV with 1 kid unless there's some massive towing requirement.
We have a MDX 3 row literally at our parents right now and filled up the trunk with 3rd row DOWN very easily with 1 newborn on the road trip here
Add one more kid and double the stuff then try the same trip. If the OP intends to keep having children, it makes sense to buy a big enough vehicle now. And I agree that a unibody SUV day to day is plenty large enough, but the larger SUV absolutely adds quality of life to those little trips. My older kids like to fight with each other in the car. This is mitigated with more space. And it is essentially impossible for my entire family to fit into a unibody SUV with luggage for any sort of extended trip. The smaller SUV may work fine for you, but you don't know enough about other people's lives to say it doesn't work for them.
Oh and the mileage thing is a joke. We had a pilot getting 16mpg in town. Now have expedition getting 15 mpg in town. This is not an appreciable difference. And I much prefer the ~30gal tank to the ~14 gallone one in the Pilot that required refilling every 4 days
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Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:13 am to lsujro
Or you could make the better choice and get a minivan. Unles you need to tow a boat, spending the money on a Suburban/ Expedition Max is a decision made solely on vanity. A minivan will move people and stuff way better than those vehicles ever could, at basically half the price.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:24 am to LNCHBOX
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Or you could make the better choice and get a minivan. Unles you need to tow a boat, spending the money on a Suburban/ Expedition Max is a decision made solely on vanity. A minivan will move people and stuff way better than those vehicles ever could, at basically half the price.
I get your point, but it fails for the same reasons as the unibody suv example. You absolutely do not have the same space. And acting like price is the only consideration in any purchase is a recipe for unhappiness (although minivans are nowhere near half the cost of a comparable SUV). If price and practicality were the only considerations in buying a vehicle, everyone here would have a smart car for commute and a minivan for carrying the kids
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:49 am to lsujro
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You absolutely do not have the same space.
But does he NEED the space? Extremely highly unlikely. The reason people buy Expeditions/Tahoes is typically 1 of 2 reasons - tow something substantial or pure vanity because they have 1 or 2 kids and have zero need for the "Extra space". Even in the events you could use some extra space, there's roof racks, tow hit expansion things, etc for those times. I totally get something with more space if you have maybe 3-4 kids, get a long wheelbase one of those or something. But 1-2 kids, no towing requirement, it's a gigantic waste of money, not only up front purchase price over a unibody SUV/minivan but over time in the fuel you're wasting over much more efficient unibody vehicles. And gas certainly isn't 'cheap' any more either and it's not really going to trend to getting cheaper either over time. Something you'd really regret doing is 5-10 years from now filling up at $4-$5+ gallon while you're burning a gallon every 17-18 miles.
I just was able to get 28-29mpg highway driving in a AWD MDX on my road trip down from ATL to Tampa this week. Good luck ever seeing anywhere close to that in a body on frame Expedition or Tahoe. Which maybe you could in a diesel Tahoe/Yukon, but guess what, now you're paying even more for that engine option up front AND paying way more for diesel over gas anyways
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:31 pm to lsujro
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Oh and the mileage thing is a joke. We had a pilot getting 16mpg in town. Now have expedition getting 15 mpg in town. This is not an appreciable difference
Sounds like you just had a lead foot because the previous gen pilot is rated for 20mpg city, there's no way those 2 should be within 1 mpg of each other unless it's driver error or simply not comparing similar routes.
It's not a GIGANTIC difference between body on frame large suvs and 3 row unibody but 20-30% adds up up to a significant amount over time in fuel savings, especially for driving a vehicle you simply don't even need and paid way more for up front if you're not using it for towing or have 3+ kids. People will rationalize anything to drive the vehicles they do.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:48 pm to LSUTitan99
When yours break down not based on the market
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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Sounds like you just had a lead foot because the previous gen pilot is rated for 20mpg city, there's no way those 2 should be within 1 mpg of each other unless it's driver error or simply not comparing similar routes.
It's not a GIGANTIC difference between body on frame large suvs and 3 row unibody but 20-30% adds up up to a significant amount over time in fuel savings, especially for driving a vehicle you simply don't even need and paid way more for up front if you're not using it for towing or have 3+ kids. People will rationalize anything to drive the vehicles they do.
the mileage readings are from the same driver driving the same routes in two vehicles. mpg ratings are a joke. if you think they are accurate you cannot have a serious discussion about vehicle mpg.
i'm not rationalizing anything. I'm fully aware there is a slight difference in mileage, and it is more pronounced in interstate driving. There are a million other ways to cost/save yourself a couple thousand dollars over a period of several years. It's a shocking thought, but sometimes people pay extra money for nicer or more comfortable things. I'd say the guy driving a foreign luxury vehicle (with msrp comparable to a large domestic suv) shouldn't be throwing stones at the glass house of necessity guiding one's choice of vehicles
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:18 pm to lsujro
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but it fails for the same reasons as the unibody suv example. You absolutely do not have the same space.
Wanna bet?
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The Chevrolet Suburban has 41.5 cubic feet of space behind the third-row seats, 93.8 cubic feet with those seats folded, and 144.7 cubic feet with all rear seats folded.
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The Odyssey offers a slightly above-average amount of cargo space for the minivan class. Depending on trim and seat configuration, you’ll find 32.8 to 38.6 cubic feet of room behind the third row. That expands to between 86.6 and 92.3 cubic feet behind the second row and between 140.7 and 158 cubic feet behind the front seats.
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And acting like price is the only consideration in any purchase is a recipe for unhappiness (although minivans are nowhere near half the cost of a comparable SUV)
Like I said, your decision is one made on vanity and insecurity. Nothing wrong with that, but just own it.
ETA: Just looked up the Expedition Max, and it's even worse cargo space
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The Expedition Max models have between 34.3 and 36 cubic feet of room behind the third row, between 73.3 and 79.6 cubic feet behind the second row and 121.5 cubes with the second and third rows folded. The Max's cargo space is below average compared to other extended-wheelbase models in the class.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:25 pm to lsujro
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and it is more pronounced in interstate driving.
Still a difference in city driving as well.
While going from 16 to 19 doesnt seem like much in raw mpg, it's a near 20% increase in mileage. No different than say going from 22 to 26 mpg.
Again, no one is really going to buy the story a Pilot is getting the same mileage as a big body on frame 3 row gas SUV. Maybe a VERY old Pilot but not a more recent one that's rated at like 20 city 26-27 highway. You were driving it like a dog to get that poor of mileage.
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I'd say the guy driving a foreign luxury vehicle (with msrp comparable to a large domestic suv) shouldn't be throwing stones at the glass house of necessity guiding one's choice of vehicles
The MDX isn't really a "luxury" vehicle. It's a "premium" Pilot. Luxury is something like a BMW X7 or MB GLS, etc...something way more than an MDX costs. The MDX is just a slight upcharge from a Honda Pilot, even today it starts UNDER $50k...or still thousands less than the price of a stripped out poverty spec Tahoe/Expedition (which dont really exist anyways). People arent buying $55k new Tahoes or Expeditions, they are spending way more.
Also we bought our 2014 MDX in 2017 for $25k with 39k miles on it. So I will gladly still say buying a brand new body on frame 3 row SUV makes NO sense for a 1-2 kid family with no major towing requirement and is just a huge waste of money not only up front but over time (MPGs) when you could get essentially top trim level 3 row unibody SUVs for thousands less than the stripped out non-existent 3 row body on frame Expeditions/Tahoes. They are just a gigantic waste of money without multiple kids (3+) or an actual towing requirement...and I dont mean towing a 5k RV once a year somewhere either which you could rent something for anyways
Also again it's not a "coule thousand dollars" over a few years. If we're talking new here, you're saving A TON of money over a few years, not just in fuel but in the actual cost of the vehicle of saying buying a $45k 3 row minivan or unibody 3 row SUV vs. a $65k body on frame 3 row SUV. Up front you're already down $20k, now every year you're probably throwing away another $750-$1k on gas.
Do a 5 year loan at say 5% financing say $25k vs. $45k (assuming $20k down/trade on both). $28.3k on the $25k loan over 5 years vs. $50.8k on the $45k over 5 year. So after 5 years, you've now paid $22.5k more for the car, and another $3500-$5000 more in gas. This isnt even factoring in depreciation which will be worse over time on the Ford/Chevy body on frame more expensive vehicle as well. financially just a really dumb choice unless you absolutely need that kind of space or towing requirement.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:27 pm to lsujro
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the mileage readings are from the same driver driving the same routes in two vehicles. mpg ratings are a joke. if you think they are accurate you cannot have a serious discussion about vehicle mpg.
i'm not rationalizing anything. I'm fully aware there is a slight difference in mileage, and it is more pronounced in interstate driving. There are a million other ways to cost/save yourself a couple thousand dollars over a period of several years. It's a shocking thought, but sometimes people pay extra money for nicer or more comfortable things. I'd say the guy driving a foreign luxury vehicle (with msrp comparable to a large domestic suv) shouldn't be throwing stones at the glass house of necessity guiding one's choice of vehicles
No offnse, but you're clueless
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:15 pm to lsujro
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I'd say the guy driving a foreign luxury vehicle (with msrp comparable to a large domestic suv)
You can get a lightly used (like 30k or less miles) MDX for around $30k. Tell me how comparable that is to a Tahoe/Expedition with the same year/mileage
I'll go on autotempest right now and look if you want. Just give me the zip and range.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:31 pm to LSUTitan99
If you have to ask the question you are, you shouldn’t get a new car. Pay for the 100,000 mile maintenance and drive the car another 5 years. Modern cars can easily go 200,000 miles with good maintenance. You also save a ton in insurance. Save the remaining cash and wait for a good time to buy.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:10 am to LSUTitan99
Not now
Strike is going to raise some prices
Strike is going to raise some prices
Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:00 pm to LSUTitan99
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Ya he was great. Her car is just worn down and she really wants something like a Tahoe or Expedition.
lol. You inherit $25k so you're going to blow it by going into debt on a tahoe.
Do you have any current debt? I would pay that off first with the $25k if so. Ride the Ford til it dies, your wife will be fine.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 6:30 pm to LSUTitan99
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Expedition
Don't do that.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:29 pm to LSUTitan99
Curious how the convo went?
Hi love, pawpaw just left me 35k. - him
Nice, I been needing a new ride - her
Hi love, pawpaw just left me 35k. - him
Nice, I been needing a new ride - her
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:26 am to down time
Well it was 25k and her car is a hunk of junk in our opinion. Since I am remote, she drives 10 times as much as I do and drives the kid around more.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:27 am to Ostrich
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lol. You inherit $25k so you're going to blow it by going into debt on a tahoe.
Do you have any current debt? I would pay that off first with the $25k if so. Ride the Ford til it dies, your wife will be fine.
We have no debt and I do well investing money when I can.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:43 am to thunderbird1100
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Still a difference in city driving as well.
While going from 16 to 19 doesnt seem like much in raw mpg, it's a near 20% increase in mileage. No different than say going from 22 to 26 mpg.
Again, no one is really going to buy the story a Pilot is getting the same mileage as a big body on frame 3 row gas SUV. Maybe a VERY old Pilot but not a more recent one that's rated at like 20 city 26-27 highway. You were driving it like a dog to get that poor of mileage.
Yeah, I don't get that. I'm driving a 2017 Pilot with AWD and the 6 speed tranny and odometer 2 has almost 5k miles tracking MPG and it is at 24.8 mpg and that is with a lot of mountain driving and I don't drive slow.
Inquiring minds want to know if a behemoth $70k new vehicle is acquired will it fit in the purchasers garage??
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