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When does property insurance in SELA become untenable?

Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:04 am
Posted by Brightside Bengal
Old Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
3883 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:04 am
There are several different threads about homeowners insurers leaving the southeastern Louisiana market. But is there now a tipping point on the horizon to where the private market won’t actually be willing to take new business? It just feels like at the pace we are going, something has to give.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18186 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 3:16 am to
It is here.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80124 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 5:20 am to
Been talking to friends that way and don’t see how most of the people can afford insurance…. Rates doubling? Insane to pay 4k a year in homeowners.
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:26 am to
If the rising interest rates do work and drive the cost of building materials down I would think that this may provide some relief to the insurance companies having to pay out claims.

That being said….. SE Louisiana is not only sinking but the marsh loss has been accelerating in my humble opinion.
Posted by Gevans17
Member since Dec 2007
1135 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:28 am to
UPC non renewing policies too
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18186 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:44 am to
4k is low right now. Getting $6k quotes with $45,000 hurricane deductibles right now.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52967 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:54 am to
Louisiana is the worlds largest fema camp

Think about it, people start complaining about Louisiana and say they’re moving to Texas and then you never see them again

Pretty sure the guards just take them out
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27680 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:54 am to
It is that way in the NOLA metro area now. Citizens is the only viable option aside from a few E&S carriers. Any company that starts writing will oversaturate immediately.

Donelon loved to pump his chest when all these small takeout companies with no financial backings were coming in and cherry picking business, but now with them all tucking their tails, Citizens is about to get overloaded.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27680 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:55 am to
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Rates doubling? Insane to pay 4k a year in homeowners.


That’s a best case scenario for some markets.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422393 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:57 am to
A major storm or 2 over the next couple years and it's going to be real bad.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72615 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:17 am to
quote:

Insane to pay 4k a year in homeowners.





i have friends down in larose. homeowners was around 1800. after hurricane? 9k! i told them sell house and move. F that.

Insurance companies love collecting their money UNTIL they have to pay out. crooks.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27680 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:21 am to
It’s not greed. These companies are going insolvent. Bankrupt. The opposite. They didn’t take in enough premium to cover their claims. Now they have to charge a rate adequate to the level of risk and people are realizing that it’s expensive as hell in south Louisiana.

With the bigger, National companies, other states are subsidizing the risk in Louisiana. Or the northern part of the state diversifies the risk of hurricanes. Reinsurance is going up with the catastrophes across the country and poor market performance. It’s an all around bad situation and it’ll take several years of no storms before companies begin considering writing in Louisiana again.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 7:24 am
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34103 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:31 am to
I’m in flood zone A.

My current flood ins is 878.00.

However, I’m built up 4 ft above flood stage with an elevation certificate.

It is my understanding that none of that matters now. I’m honestly quite concerned. FML.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48475 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:32 am to
I don't remember how much the rates increased but a lot of insurers pulled out of the state after Katrina and Rita too, including many of the major ones. I remember we had to use a company we'd never heard of in 2006.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35302 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:33 am to
If you haven't done so already, sell your house to the next sucker and gtfo Louisiana. It isn't going to get better.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52967 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 7:56 am to
I hope all of y’all leave Louisiana to go live in dsld neighborhoods in grapevine

One day I’ll buy the whole state at the sheriff sale
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
3563 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 8:07 am to
Hopefully sooner than later, the taxpayers of america shouldn't be rebuilding your homes every time there's a hurricane.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16367 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:39 am to
quote:

It’s not greed. These companies are going insolvent. Bankrupt. The opposite. They didn’t take in enough premium to cover their claims. Now they have to charge a rate adequate to the level of risk and people are realizing that it’s expensive as hell in south Louisiana.

It is greed when you see the executive bonuses, the new offices that are remodeled every few years, the bloated payroll...
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16367 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:40 am to
quote:

Hopefully sooner than later, the taxpayers of america shouldn't be rebuilding your homes every time there's a hurricane.

Ironically, by property insurance getting to the point of it being untenable, you will have more and more people relying on the tax payers of america
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11176 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:54 am to
When people look at the premium increases they also need to consider the price to rebuild.

Your house is probably worth 2x what it was 5-10 years ago so even absent the issues in the insurance underwriting space this was going to be a problem.

Add in the inflation and supply chain issues along with a couple major hits from LA to Orange Beach, AL and this is a perfect storm situation for insurance.
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