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re: What were your most surprising things about retirement?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:50 pm to Enadious
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:50 pm to Enadious
quote:You clearly do not understand math or finances.
got to be one of the dumber things ive read on this site and thats saying something
There was some hyperbole in the math but it was to make a point. Today, you can live a comfortable life with 5M in assets. But can you live comfortably on 5M in 30 years, as the poster indicated, his goal?
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Americans need to earn 70% more than 6 years ago to comfortably afford a median price home
LINK
In 1970, the median price of a house was 25,000, in 2023 it was 400,000, in 2076 it will be 6,390,000. Yes, 6.39 million.
Grok calculates the median price of a house in 2053: Final Answer
The house would cost approximately $2,019,500 in 2053, rounded to the nearest hundred for simplicity.
Check out this short video of projections based on 50 years, not 30.
LINK
Also, the US is over 36 trillion in debt. We have no hope of paying that amount off without inflating the dollar by a large amount. Here's another good watch: How the US will inflate its debt away
Posted on 5/14/25 at 2:50 pm to AuburnTigers
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In 30 years, your 5M will only generate 25K of buying power.
Fear tactics from a financial advisor. We cancelled ours a few years ago and never looked back. I’ll keep my extra 1% earnings
Posted on 5/14/25 at 2:59 pm to Enadious
No.. just no…
If you can’t live comfortably on $5m, even $2m, with soc security… you’ve got problems
If you can’t live comfortably on $5m, even $2m, with soc security… you’ve got problems
Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:19 pm to Artificial Ignorance
Anyone here able to touch on if estimating that you will maintain your same expenses as when working is a good strategy? It feels overly conservative to me, but I’m 30 years out so it makes a huge difference in my projections
Posted on 5/14/25 at 3:37 pm to Upperdecker
I expect my overall expenses to drop. We have two large dogs to feed and get groomed every 4 weeks which is a big cost that will go away at some point as these are going to be our last dogs. We love having them but also look forward to being able to travel on a whim without worrying about bothering my son to watch them or paying for boarding.
We really don't have a lot of large expenses other than the dogs but I do expect that we will move to a lower COL area and into a smaller place with less maintenance costs.
We really don't have a lot of large expenses other than the dogs but I do expect that we will move to a lower COL area and into a smaller place with less maintenance costs.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:01 pm to rowbear1922
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As someone that is 30 years away from typical retirement age, what have others done to prepare for retirement? What do you wish you had done earlier?
Spend more, travel more live more now
Don’t wait
Save/invest but don’t live so frugally that you are happy with what’s in the bank but you failed to live and enjoy the energy you have now
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:06 pm to Upperdecker
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your same expenses as when working is a good strategy?
Too much focus is on size of nest egg and not enough on cash flow produced by nest egg. You are planning the right way.
The answer, I think, is up to you and your retirement essentials (healthcare, home, food, etc) and non essentials (lifestyle…vacations, restaurants, hobbies, etc).
Speaking for myself, we planned for retirement cash flow to cover same level of total expenses in final job lifestyle prior to retirement. This covers essentials and lifestyle non essentials.
We invested with aim for nest egg that can produce 130% of that in a sustained and very worst market conditions scenario (P90 case).
Blessed to be there now (still working but may eject within the next year).
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 5/14/25 at 4:19 pm to Upperdecker
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It feels overly conservative to me
It is. Even with increased travel, you are likely to have much fewer expenses in retirement vs your prime working years (assuming you are adequately covered and aren't unlucky healthcare wise).
When you're working you're probably also raising kids and paying all their shite. You go through stuff much quicker in your prime working years. You outgrow houses, cars, etc.
You can also much more easily stomach doing things that are slower, but cheaper. You pay for speed/convenience in life. You don't need so much of that when you aren't devoting the vast majority of your mental energy to work.
All that being said, you should definitely still consider that you will probably need to pay for a roof replacement or a new water heater or make some sort of 4-5 figure home repair at one or more points in your retirement years. Having a paid off forever home is great when entering retirement, but if that retirement lasts 25+ years you are probably going to have to fix/replace a lot of shite.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/14/25 at 6:52 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
My financial advisor runs the models and tells us approximately how long we could go and not run out of money. Right now we probably spend about $120k/yr. We save about $100k/yr through 401k, HSA, some back door Roth IRAs, and the. We roll over about $40k/year after all expenses and savings which I roll into a money market account - TMCXX.
I do get some health care benefits from my employer even after I retire, but those benefits would be better with three more years working. I’d be 55 then and would likely get severed with a full year of pay. I work for a major.
I do get some health care benefits from my employer even after I retire, but those benefits would be better with three more years working. I’d be 55 then and would likely get severed with a full year of pay. I work for a major.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:43 am to AuburnTigers
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2055 5 million? Yes, still comfortable
To be fair, we don't know what $5M will buy in 2055, because right now, it is just a number. If we have extended periods of runaway inflation, then $5M may be the right number.
However, if inflation dictates that you need $5M, then interest rates would sky rocket, salaries would go way up, etc, and you going through life saving 15% will probably reach that goal without trying.
I think the point everyone is saying is that if you don't have to kill yourself trying to get to some astronomical number to retire. You can live very comfortably on much less, and the vast majority of people do. If you want to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous, then go ahead and do it.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:14 am to Jax-Tiger
I think people are better served looking at their tax situation in retirement and where they can live to minimize their tax load.
For example, post age 65 in Georgia. Social Security is not taxed in Georgia. Additionally, investment income up to $65000 a year is not taxed by the state of Georgia. In my situation, that's about $130k a year with no state income tax burden between SS and investment income.
My federal taxes in the current system would come out to just about $10k a year which leaves $10k a month to live on. I can easily live on $10k a month in retirement, do the traveling I want to do and still put money back into investments each month.
To me, to determine how much you need you first need to work it from the other side and see how you can make that income work to your advantage by planning what you expect out of your later years. IOW, it's more about the proper income stream and maximizing it than it is determining some big pile of money that you "think" you will need.
For example, post age 65 in Georgia. Social Security is not taxed in Georgia. Additionally, investment income up to $65000 a year is not taxed by the state of Georgia. In my situation, that's about $130k a year with no state income tax burden between SS and investment income.
My federal taxes in the current system would come out to just about $10k a year which leaves $10k a month to live on. I can easily live on $10k a month in retirement, do the traveling I want to do and still put money back into investments each month.
To me, to determine how much you need you first need to work it from the other side and see how you can make that income work to your advantage by planning what you expect out of your later years. IOW, it's more about the proper income stream and maximizing it than it is determining some big pile of money that you "think" you will need.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 8:16 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:17 am to Upperdecker
Don’t forget about healthcare, health insurance. That will turn into an out of pocket expense for me in retirement, that I currently don’t see if I analyze my monthly cash flow.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:20 am to turkish
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Don’t forget about healthcare, health insurance. That will turn into an out of pocket expense for me in retirement, that I currently don’t see if I analyze my monthly cash flow.
Does your employer currently pay for 100% of your health care? I know that my current monthly share of my health care premium is more that my Medicare premium will be. Even putting the add-on on it will still cost me less.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:24 am to VABuckeye
My point is, if I want to track healthcare premiums, I have to pull it out of my pay statement. Easy to do but not as automatic as the budgeting tools I use to track cash flow. Thus, that expense flies a little under the radar for me. It’s a “tools” issue that’s easy to overcome.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:28 am to turkish
Gotcha. My wifes Medicare payment deducts the premium same as a paycheck.
She still runs a small bookkeeping business so she is able to deduct the premium on our tax return until she fully retires.
She still runs a small bookkeeping business so she is able to deduct the premium on our tax return until she fully retires.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:44 am to Artificial Ignorance
I read a lot of these retirement posts here and on Bogleheads and I often wonder do I need to crank up the retirement savings or spend more right now. Retirement at minimum is 19 years off for me (41 years old) and 24 years for my wife (36). I'm a teacher and will have a pension, but I still put a bunch into my Roth and 403b. She's a pharmacist and will have a small pension from her health system, but most of her retirement contributions will be 401K and Roth. We have a good base already in tax advantaged vehicle and put between 17%-22% a year combined of our total gross savings away into them. With this month's mortgage payment we're halfway home on the mortgage (20 year), so it will be paid off when I'm 51 and she's 46.
We lead a good life and do what we want, but I often think should we do more, tomorrow isn't a certainty for anyone and will we need as much money in retirement as we think. I guess this is a good problem to have!
We lead a good life and do what we want, but I often think should we do more, tomorrow isn't a certainty for anyone and will we need as much money in retirement as we think. I guess this is a good problem to have!
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:22 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
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My financial advisor runs the models and tells us approximately how long we could go and not run out of money.
If you dont know what method and assumptions FA is using you should really dig into those before making decision to keep working or not. Then, if you are confident in their methods seems like a no brainer to step away if you can support 130% of current spending ($160k drawdown vs $120k today)
Is it inflation adjusted and what withdrawal rate is FA projecting?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:31 am to StreamsOfWhiskey
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We roll over about $40k/year after all expenses and savings which I roll into a money market account - TMCXX.
Are you sure you mean a rollover here? Why so much lanquishing away in money market?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:49 am to grsharky
Sounds like you have it together!
Presume if you read Boglehead, you are familiar with firecalc.
I would estimate your retirement entry expenses (essential and non essential) and project retirement expense needs across retirement years. Work backwards from there: how much does your retirement nest egg need to be at point of retirement, after including pension and SS cash flows.
The nest egg you need should be risk-tested (ie, will it meet cash flow needs of your retirement expenses in below (P75) and significantly below (P90) market conditions.
Therein, you will answer your question:
Do more, same or less?
Too much focus on nest egg amount. While important, IMO it is more important to focus on retirement cash flow needs - to then back in to nest egg target (risked).
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I often think should we do more, tomorrow isn't a certainty for anyone and will we need as much money in retirement as we think. I guess this is a good problem to have!
Presume if you read Boglehead, you are familiar with firecalc.
I would estimate your retirement entry expenses (essential and non essential) and project retirement expense needs across retirement years. Work backwards from there: how much does your retirement nest egg need to be at point of retirement, after including pension and SS cash flows.
The nest egg you need should be risk-tested (ie, will it meet cash flow needs of your retirement expenses in below (P75) and significantly below (P90) market conditions.
Therein, you will answer your question:
Do more, same or less?
Too much focus on nest egg amount. While important, IMO it is more important to focus on retirement cash flow needs - to then back in to nest egg target (risked).
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:16 pm to xBirdx
quote:I keep coming back to the same number in my calculations to retire at 61-62, it seems that 2 will get me there comfortably, north of that would allow some additional luxuries and peace of mind. Then I see numbers like 5 million or such and think I must be crazy. The math just works for us to be fine. I expect interest to remain up for the long term, that should help us significantly.
If you can’t live comfortably on $5m, even $2m, with soc security… you’ve got problems
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