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re: What do you expect the market to do the next 4 years?

Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:50 am to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131292 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:50 am to
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What do you expect the market to do the next 4 years?
I expect it to go up, then down, then up, then down, then up, then down and then up.

But it might be the other way around...
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37079 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:16 pm to
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e then the inevitable crash
Why is a crash "inevitable" in this construct? If the monthly payment works, then it works.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37079 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:16 pm to
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If government spending gets efficient I’m not holding my breath but that would be a huge boost to markets.
Really?
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
801 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:35 pm to
Less bureaucracy, fewer taxes needed to fund government, more money in people pockets to spend and invest.

Government can reallocate funds to meaningful programs instead of bridge to nowhere.

Yes, I believe government efficiency would increase quality of life and investment outlook
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37079 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:59 pm to
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Less bureaucracy, fewer taxes needed to fund government, more money in people pockets to spend and invest.

Government can reallocate funds to meaningful programs instead of bridge to nowhere.

Yes, I believe government efficiency would increase quality of life and investment outlook
Maybe. Government spending might also be increasing demand. In any event, the actual savings can't possibly be big enough to actually make a dent - can they? Biggest hope I have is for more rational regs.

Discretionary spending is only like 25% of the budget. Are they seriously going to be able to recommend plausible changes to non-discretionary spending?
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1746 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:00 pm to
Think you all misunderstood me... I think volatility is good. I think it will go up. I think it will give us great opportunities to buy. Nothing disingenuous about this at all. And I'd bet you $20 it falls 35% in the next 4 years at some point.

When the first page of MT has 10 threads about selling everything because this is the end, that's my trigger for buying.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
38037 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:15 pm to
March 2020... about the same time Covid arrived to the US.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
801 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 3:39 pm to
It’s an uphill battle but I’m a huge Musk fan so I’m hopeful he can shake some shite up.

However, I’m not modeling significant government efficiency.

Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
285 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 5:23 pm to
Up only priced in usd
Even to slightly down priced in gold
Down only priced in btc
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14026 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:39 pm to
15% annualized returns.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38701 posts
Posted on 11/18/24 at 10:26 pm to
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15% annualized returns.

Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2292 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:08 am to
I doubted you knew it went up under Biden. You passed the test. I am guessing you had to look it up.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
21851 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:36 am to
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I doubted you knew it went up under Biden. You passed the test. I am guessing you had to look it up.




Nope i knew homie.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
19662 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 3:01 pm to
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I think technology is going to make companies more profitable. Market will run hard for 10 years.



I agree. I am heavy in QQQ
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:00 pm to
What happened on Jan 2, 2019? I wasn’t investing back then and ignorantly have no idea.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89931 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:10 pm to
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If government spending gets efficient I’m not holding my breath but that would be a huge boost to markets.


Would likely be a boost eventually, but a lot of money is made on government inefficiency in the short term. If they crack down hard I’d bet on down markets more than up early.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89931 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:11 pm to
I also think QQQ outperformance has its days numbered. The last time they outperformed this much they missed an entire decade of growth.

I don’t think it’s that dire, but I’d be equal weight at best.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37079 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 9:50 pm to
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Would likely be a boost eventually, but a lot of money is made on government inefficiency in the short term. If they crack down hard I’d bet on down markets more than up early.
Can you flesh this out with some numbers?

I saw yesterday that the entire federal payroll is $110B. So let's say they cut 30% of that (they won't). That's not very much. How much ancillary spending do you think is actually tied to headcount? I would guess not much. I'm just not sure what all is supposed to be cut. Discretionary spending just isn't that much (relatively).

Do you think they are going to do anything with non-discretionary spending? Because THAT'S where the juice is. But if so, what?
Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
6051 posts
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:51 pm to
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doubted you knew it went up under Biden. You passed the test. I am guessing you had to look it up.


Do you have any investments in the market?
shite man. My 401k had a 26.7% return just in the last year. Hard to miss that
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