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What day is the Fed going to announce the interest rate cut?

Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:55 am
Anyone?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:57 am to
Weds

65% for .5 cut after Timarios article
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:41 pm to
What does this mean for market movement? Or is it already fully baked in?

Also will this affect mortgages relatively quickly or will it take time to trickle into lending? I just started following this sort of stuff the last year or so, so I wasn’t around for the crazy rates during 2020-2021.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:50 pm to
.25
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

What does this mean for market movement?


It will move it but they already baked in 1% drop

quote:

Also will this affect mortgages relatively 


Pricing will get better immediately but will take time with more cuts to have a bif impact

But 4%s will be popping up soon
Posted by npt817
Prairieville, LA
Member since Sep 2010
1612 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Also will this affect mortgages relatively quickly or will it take time to trickle into lending?


Mortgage rates have already factored in Atleast a .25bps cut which is why we have seen rates decline in the last month already. If we get the full .50bps then mortgage rates may see a little bit more of a dip
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38323 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 2:32 pm to
Let’s be clear how the market will react.

.25 = still optimistic for soft landing
.50 = nervous
.75 = we fricked up something big
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2395 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

.25 = still optimistic for soft landing .50 = nervous .75 = we fricked up something big


Alternative for .25 = we fricked up and there will be no soft landing; we need to hold another couple of months, but we don’t have the balls to; we feel we must do something, but don’t want to do too much…so .25bps it is.
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 4:18 pm to
Do you’re saying markets respond adversely to the cuts? I thought it would be the opposite
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

Do you’re saying markets respond adversely to the cuts? I thought it would be the opposite

Anything more than .25 signals the economy is in bad shape and stocks will fall in fear of a recession.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 4:41 pm to
Whenever they think it benefits Kamala the most.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 6:26 pm to

quote:

Do you’re saying markets respond adversely to the cuts? I thought it would be the opposite


You don't cut rates because the economy is good. If you've got growing GDP, you raise rates or keep them steady in order to keep inflation from flaring up. Inflation took off like a rocket because of COVID stimmies, PPPs, commerce shutdowns, etc. This warped the hell out of the normal ebb and flow of the economy's natural boom/bust cycle.

While inflation is coming down (finally), we still have a decently strong GDP. Under normal conditions that might warrant rates staying at their current level a little longer, but we have a massive problem that's been sitting on the sidelines while it continues to grow and grow, and that's that the interest rates just being around the historic norms have vastly increased the carrying cost of the federal debt because the federal debt was so fricking huge already.

Last year we spent just over $1T just to service the national debt. This was the first time ever that servicing costs got close to $1T, much less topped it (the previous year was ~$700B, the year before $500B). And because the federal government never pays the debt down any longer, we're going to see $1T+ servicing costs from here on out, making debt servicing the 2nd most expensive item in the federal budget.

Last year the federal government took in $4.4T in taxes. That means nearly a quarter of tax revenue was set aside just to pay interest in the debt. What does that look like today with the federal government still spending like there's no problem? It looks like an average of $200B-$300B in deficit spending each month thus far this year. 2024 deficit spending was estimated to be $1.8T this year, we're already over $2T and at this rate it may well hit $3T before the year ends.

This is all to say that the further over .25 the Fed lowers rates this week, the bigger a signal it is to the market that they are having to do so much not for a "soft landing", but to try to delay the collapse of the USD under the weight of federal debt since Congress refuses to cut spending enough to at least stop adding to the debt (which would take a cut of around 30% of total spending, which will not happen until we get a crash).
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88023 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 7:32 pm to
quote:

Let’s be clear how the market will react.

.25 = still optimistic for soft landing
.50 = nervous
.75 = we fricked up something big


Its most likely a .5 , .25, .25 then cutting another 1.25 over 2025

Cut 1% and still restrictive. All this fear on this board over cuts

This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
75740 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

Do you’re saying markets respond adversely to the cuts? I thought it would be the opposite


The cuts are already expected and priced in.

You're thinking interest rate cuts would make bonds less attractive and shift money to stocks. All else equal, that's correct.

The reason for an adverse reaction is the bigger the cut, the more scared the experts are.
Posted by kung fu kenny
Birmingham
Member since Sep 2017
1879 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 11:05 pm to
Thanks for affirming that and helping elaborate on the adverse response!
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
926 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 6:37 am to
The ole "buy the rumor sell the fact".

I'm leaning .25bps but wouldn't be shocked at .50. A lot will depend on the language in the Fed's statement.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2395 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:34 am to
quote:

You don't cut rates because the economy is good. If you've got growing GDP, you raise rates or keep them steady in order to keep inflation from flaring up. Inflation took off like a rocket because of COVID stimmies, PPPs, commerce shutdowns, etc. This warped the hell out of the normal ebb and flow of the economy's natural boom/bust cycle.

While inflation is coming down (finally), we still have a decently strong GDP. Under normal conditions that might warrant rates staying at their current level a little longer, but we have a massive problem that's been sitting on the sidelines while it continues to grow and grow, and that's that the interest rates just being around the historic norms have vastly increased the carrying cost of the federal debt because the federal debt was so fricking huge already.

Last year we spent just over $1T just to service the national debt. This was the first time ever that servicing costs got close to $1T, much less topped it (the previous year was ~$700B, the year before $500B). And because the federal government never pays the debt down any longer, we're going to see $1T+ servicing costs from here on out, making debt servicing the 2nd most expensive item in the federal budget.

Last year the federal government took in $4.4T in taxes. That means nearly a quarter of tax revenue was set aside just to pay interest in the debt. What does that look like today with the federal government still spending like there's no problem? It looks like an average of $200B-$300B in deficit spending each month thus far this year. 2024 deficit spending was estimated to be $1.8T this year, we're already over $2T and at this rate it may well hit $3T before the year ends.

This is all to say that the further over .25 the Fed lowers rates this week, the bigger a signal it is to the market that they are having to do so much not for a "soft landing", but to try to delay the collapse of the USD under the weight of federal debt since Congress refuses to cut spending enough to at least stop adding to the debt (which would take a cut of around 30% of total spending, which will not happen until we get a crash).


You could've just said "fiscal dominance" and stopped there.
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45053 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:35 am to
Spy ATH pre market
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13640 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:23 pm to
Wednesday and I expect .25

Really, we don’t even need a cut
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88023 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Really, we don’t even need a cut


Why dont we need a cut?
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