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re: What % of your gross income do you save and/or invest?

Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:57 am to
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24996 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:57 am to
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I remember when they hired me full-time. I made this wonky spreadsheet, built in seasonality factors to my expenses, estimated extremely conservatively, added sensitivity analysis, came out saving roughly the same number you did under normal conditions. I was right on most of the numbers...


This makes me feel a little more normal. All my future-medical school and law school roommates just comment and say "You are such an accountant".

I first figured my take home pay per month after taxes, considering a standard deduction and personal exemption. If anything, I was conservative since I don't know if I will have any For-AGI deductions.

I didn't do anything for seasonality, but I did do an expected, optimistic, and pessimistic scenario for my budget. The problem is not the fixed costs each month as those as pretty easy to estimate, rather the random expenses. I created a "miscellaneous" budget group with a reasonable amount of money allocated to it...so I hope that takes care of the variances from month to month.

I just finalized my housing for the next year and I am really happy that I came in well under my allocated budget. Housing (including utilities) will only be ~15% of my take home pay each month.

I will say one thing...per diems help with the food budget
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:10 am to
Yeah the only one I missed on was misc/disposable, which was the residual in the model to begin with. Its outweighed my living expenses every month sans busy season so far. I would say fml but that would be a lie.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24996 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:54 am to
What do you have for "entertainment" in your budget? I have $200/month. Realistic?
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8176 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 6:41 am to
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$200/month
I budget more than my rent for entertainment purposes. Step it up Ebenezer; hookers and coke aren't immune to inflation.

Eta: i like my lanlord so much that I may overpay on my last months rent, that will skew the numbers.
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 11:34 am
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26709 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 6:47 am to
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Step it up Ebenezer; hookers and coke aren't immune to inflation.


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200 a month



Let's hope lynxcat has refrained from the Memphis hookers on that budget or..


Posted by Blakely Bimbo
Member since Dec 2010
1183 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 7:51 am to
In this changing employment environment EVERYONE should have at least 1 year of expenses in CASH.
You won't get a return on these savings, but you won't have to dump stocks at a loss in a down market if you lose your job. You also won't have to fork over 10% plus taxes to the gov if you need cash in an emergency.

I have watched so many friends decimate their retirement accounts when they lost their jobs. The best investment you can make is to have at least 1 roof over your head that is paid for. Don't fall the the governments spiel about savings on taxes with a mortgage deduction. Ever look at an amortization schedule of your mortgage? We paid off our house in 5 years and saved enough money to pay for our sons education.

In a debt based monetary system, the .gov needs you to borrow to keep the system expanding. They make debt slaves out of the citizens and have you convinced that it is more efficient to borrow.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 8:17 am to
Obviously a personal decision, but no, I think that's entirely too low. I'm talking about going being bars and restaurants. I generally spend whatever I feel like in those categories and restrain myself when it comes to more expensive toys (a la tablets). Mint says I average $615/month on alcohol and bars and $182/mo on restaurants (this could easily be triple that, if I didn't care about being fat). This was actually interesting to look at, because I can see a clear trend in nearly all of my expenses since August. Will post links later to further this point, as I think its a worthwhile one for you since you're in the same kind of position in terms of starting a f-t job.
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 8:18 am
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22626 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 8:38 am to
I can't do a roth. I max out my sep, but it isn't that high as I pay myself a low salary. My wife has the max taken out for her retirement. We also put the max to get the state break on the kids START accts. That's really about it. I do have a job where I can work pretty much the rest of my life, wheather that be full or part time.
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:07 am to
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They make debt slaves out of the citizens and have you convinced that it is more efficient to borrow.


I suppose that's one way to look at it. You could also argue that the economic system is geared to maximize production of goods and services that consumers demand. One way to do this is to leverage capital. When the American citizen borrows a bunch of money for a house, they're freeing up money to invest and grow at a higher rate of return than the cost of borrowing.

There is a great deal of virtue in living frugally, minimizing debt, and saving for a rainy day. But there is also a huge difference between taking on a reasonable amount of debt/risk and being a "debt slave." Despite the conventional wisdom, taking on debt is the path to prosperity.

I suggest reading Banker to the Poor by Mohammed Younous. LINK
This is a great example of how reasonable debt can help make a better world.
Posted by jmtigers
1826.71 miles from USC
Member since Sep 2003
4989 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:52 am to
22%
Posted by The_Pistol
Member since Dec 2003
2519 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:05 pm to
16.5%
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:18 pm to
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What is the limit contributions you can make to a 401(k) each year?


$16.5k since you are not 50 or >.

I can't answer the OP q as our savings rate, when compared to our true taxable income and very low effective tax rate paid in 2010, is disproportionately high, I mean it would be ~ 80%. I know the q is gross, but that holds little meaning to me.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:43 pm to
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my 401k at work is $15,500 which is max - i think


Gorilla Ball/Lynxcat -- Tirebiter beat me to it. The current IRS limit is $16,500, plus an additional $5,500 is allowed if you're over 50.
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 12:54 pm
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:58 pm to
I'm saving 15% in my 401(k) (its the Feds Thrift Savings Plan, which means I get the max 5% match).

Though I have more debt than I like, I'm trying to keep $100/paycheck set aside for savings, plus I dedicate $175/paycheck to pay off my HELOC (currently on interest-only period; this more than pays that each month) and have my mortgage set up to pay 1/2 every two weeks (comes out to one additional payment per year; in Oct 2012 it will be paid off).

I still have enough to keep the bills paid at home and on the rentals.
Posted by IbalLSUfaninVA
Alexandria
Member since Jul 2008
3537 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:01 pm to
I agree with some of the post.

Spend wisely - I use coupons, take trips almost money (on deep discounts of course), use my credit card on everything and pay it off monthly getting free cash.

Bottom line. You should not have to wait until you are old, beat up, and gray to have fun and do not need to become rich, just that you have a good life and able to enjoy the things that a precious to you. My enjoyment is seeing the world so that's what I do but again, responsible.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3664 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:27 pm to
32%
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10709 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 2:18 pm to
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You should not have to wait until you are old, beat up, and gray to have fun and do not need to become rich, just that you have a good life and able to enjoy the things that a precious to you.


Totally agree, life, or the life you are accustomed to, can change extremely quickly for good or for bad. That doesn't mean people should not put some effort into how to best maximize savings & investing, legally reduce taxation, and manage consumption to best fit their lives.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24996 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 3:12 pm to
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Obviously a personal decision, but no, I think that's entirely too low. I'm talking about going being bars and restaurants. I generally spend whatever I feel like in those categories and restrain myself when it comes to more expensive toys (a la tablets). Mint says I average $615/month on alcohol and bars and $182/mo on restaurants (this could easily be triple that, if I didn't care about being fat). This was actually interesting to look at, because I can see a clear trend in nearly all of my expenses since August. Will post links later to further this point, as I think its a worthwhile one for you since you're in the same kind of position in terms of starting a f-t job.


I drink a little but rarely spend much money at bars, hence my smaller budget. Maybe my lifestyle will change dramatically, but I am not expecting too much of a shift. I just cannot justify spending $30 a night at bars on a regular basis...I would rather buy myself a 6 pack of good beer for $9 and drink at my apartment with friends before going out. Maybe buy one overpriced drink at the bar and I'm good for the night. I don't do the bar thing a ton currently, so I think it might just be a lifestyle difference between the two of us.

Being that I will eat out a ton during the week (per diem) while on the road, I actually am looking forward to cooking meals on the weekends. I know that should be much more affordable in the long run and I think it should give me some balance.

Posted by Phate
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
11788 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 3:59 pm to
Between my 401k and what I put into my savings account (getting 6 months of expenses saved up) right now I'm saving 32% of my gross income. After I pay off my car next year and get 6 months of expenses saved up I'm going to start putting money into a Roth IRA.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 4/19/11 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

o I think it might just be a lifestyle difference between the two of us.


Baton Rouge people vs New Orleans people, plus you being in a relationship and me not. My spending isn't consistent, it comes in massive lumps on Friday or Saturday. It will slow down (probably to around $40 on a Friday) for the foreseeable future. But, I've always been like that. I blame it on a series of events growing up (Jimmy's, Bogies, etc).


quote:

I actually am looking forward to cooking meals on the weekends. I know that should be much more affordable in the long run and I think it should give me some balance.


It can be, but it definitely depends on what you buy. During the week, my meals are pretty standard (yogurt and fruit, turkey sandwich, some kind of protein and veg for dinner), but when I get free time on Fri/Sat, I either go eat out, or I make something ridiculous, because I like to cook, and I happen to be good at it.

All I was going to say earlier was that, after looking at Mint over a longer period of time than I usually do, I can see a clear trend in my spending habits. Right when I started full-time, my spending was obscene and grossly cash flow negative for about 3 months (this is not new to me, I watch my Mint like a hawk). It spiked in December, leveled in January, and seems to have settled around 25-30% less (I'm talking aggregate spending) than it was in the fall. Just saying you might see a little spike in the beginning, then it will probably level off.
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