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Thoughts on iBonds

Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:42 pm
Posted by RocktownHog52
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2013
422 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:42 pm
7.12% going up to 9.62% in May. In this climate, thoughts on a good place to park cash for 1 to 5 years.

CNBC I bond information
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48942 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:52 pm to
Been looking at those. I'm trying to figure out the catch....
Posted by RocktownHog52
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2013
422 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:58 pm to
My buddy in finance says no catch other than you have no idea what rates will be after 6 months. You also lose 3 months of interest if you withdrawal before 5 years.

Limits are $10k for individuals or $20k for married couples. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something else.
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:47 pm to
Just bought 20k of them last week. Solid place to put part of an emergency fund or any cash you will need after 12-18 months. If you buy before month end you will lock in pretty close to a 8% 12 month return
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1749 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:59 pm to
The catch is, if these things are attractive, you’re getting fricked by inflation.

I’ll be buying more soon.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:32 pm to
The biggest catch is that if you have to hold them for at least a year (so no liquidity in that year), and if you withdraw before 5 years, you lose 3 months interest. So the sooner one withdraws then more impactful that will be.

In addition, while they should remain pretty high for a while, I think this semi-annual cycle will be the peak, so they will likely start coming down, and if they get back to the rates pre-pandemic, they’ll be really low (2% or even lower). And I think the fact that so many people have suddenly garnered interest in them (understandable), is a good sign they’re peaking.

Another thing to consider is that, while exempt for state and local taxes, they’re taxed at one’s ordinary income rates, even though they’re held for a year where other assets would be taxed at lower, long-term capital gains rates.

Another thing to consider is that there are alternatives that serve the same purpose, with advantages and disadvantages that might make the alternative better depending on one’s goals and circumstances.

For example, TIPS serve the same purpose, and it’s my understanding that they have advantages when rates are rising (not 100% sure the mechanism that gives them an advantage), and that’s what is happening and will happen in the near term. And since there are TIPS ETF’s and what not, there are some advantages with having more liquidity in the short term, and without a penalty for selling before 5 years.

Personally given the requirements to hold for a year, cap on how much can be bought, internet penalty for withdrawal, and less favorable tax treatment for gains, I would still rather be in equities personally, and might by some TIPS if I wanted to have a pure inflationary hedge.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48942 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 8:01 pm to
Wonderful info
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72620 posts
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6214 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 7:18 am to
TIPS?

I can’t think of worse counsel than to tell someone to buy TIPS right now.

If FED lets inflation get out of control and tries to keep nominal rates low you are looking at negative returns. TIPs will be destroyed if the FED continues their taper and rates rise.

If you think you must play TIPS, at least do it in IVOL so you have a former Goldman trader monitoring it for you.

But in this climate, find a fund that gets you in a net put position against the 20 year. That is a much better hedge for your exposure than TIPS.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 7:29 am
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72620 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:09 am to
Agreed. TIPS are trash right now.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19595 posts
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:25 am to
For someone looking to hide cash in a safe spot for a year or two I can't think of a better place.
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