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Thoughts on iBonds
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:42 pm
7.12% going up to 9.62% in May. In this climate, thoughts on a good place to park cash for 1 to 5 years.
CNBC I bond information
CNBC I bond information
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:52 pm to RocktownHog52
Been looking at those. I'm trying to figure out the catch....
Posted on 4/21/22 at 5:58 pm to HailToTheChiz
My buddy in finance says no catch other than you have no idea what rates will be after 6 months. You also lose 3 months of interest if you withdrawal before 5 years.
Limits are $10k for individuals or $20k for married couples. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something else.
Limits are $10k for individuals or $20k for married couples. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something else.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:47 pm to RocktownHog52
Just bought 20k of them last week. Solid place to put part of an emergency fund or any cash you will need after 12-18 months. If you buy before month end you will lock in pretty close to a 8% 12 month return
Posted on 4/21/22 at 6:59 pm to HailToTheChiz
The catch is, if these things are attractive, you’re getting fricked by inflation.
I’ll be buying more soon.
I’ll be buying more soon.
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 4/21/22 at 7:32 pm to RocktownHog52
The biggest catch is that if you have to hold them for at least a year (so no liquidity in that year), and if you withdraw before 5 years, you lose 3 months interest. So the sooner one withdraws then more impactful that will be.
In addition, while they should remain pretty high for a while, I think this semi-annual cycle will be the peak, so they will likely start coming down, and if they get back to the rates pre-pandemic, they’ll be really low (2% or even lower). And I think the fact that so many people have suddenly garnered interest in them (understandable), is a good sign they’re peaking.
Another thing to consider is that, while exempt for state and local taxes, they’re taxed at one’s ordinary income rates, even though they’re held for a year where other assets would be taxed at lower, long-term capital gains rates.
Another thing to consider is that there are alternatives that serve the same purpose, with advantages and disadvantages that might make the alternative better depending on one’s goals and circumstances.
For example, TIPS serve the same purpose, and it’s my understanding that they have advantages when rates are rising (not 100% sure the mechanism that gives them an advantage), and that’s what is happening and will happen in the near term. And since there are TIPS ETF’s and what not, there are some advantages with having more liquidity in the short term, and without a penalty for selling before 5 years.
Personally given the requirements to hold for a year, cap on how much can be bought, internet penalty for withdrawal, and less favorable tax treatment for gains, I would still rather be in equities personally, and might by some TIPS if I wanted to have a pure inflationary hedge.
In addition, while they should remain pretty high for a while, I think this semi-annual cycle will be the peak, so they will likely start coming down, and if they get back to the rates pre-pandemic, they’ll be really low (2% or even lower). And I think the fact that so many people have suddenly garnered interest in them (understandable), is a good sign they’re peaking.
Another thing to consider is that, while exempt for state and local taxes, they’re taxed at one’s ordinary income rates, even though they’re held for a year where other assets would be taxed at lower, long-term capital gains rates.
Another thing to consider is that there are alternatives that serve the same purpose, with advantages and disadvantages that might make the alternative better depending on one’s goals and circumstances.
For example, TIPS serve the same purpose, and it’s my understanding that they have advantages when rates are rising (not 100% sure the mechanism that gives them an advantage), and that’s what is happening and will happen in the near term. And since there are TIPS ETF’s and what not, there are some advantages with having more liquidity in the short term, and without a penalty for selling before 5 years.
Personally given the requirements to hold for a year, cap on how much can be bought, internet penalty for withdrawal, and less favorable tax treatment for gains, I would still rather be in equities personally, and might by some TIPS if I wanted to have a pure inflationary hedge.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:23 pm to RocktownHog52
Posted on 4/22/22 at 7:18 am to buckeye_vol
TIPS?
I can’t think of worse counsel than to tell someone to buy TIPS right now.
If FED lets inflation get out of control and tries to keep nominal rates low you are looking at negative returns. TIPs will be destroyed if the FED continues their taper and rates rise.
If you think you must play TIPS, at least do it in IVOL so you have a former Goldman trader monitoring it for you.
But in this climate, find a fund that gets you in a net put position against the 20 year. That is a much better hedge for your exposure than TIPS.
I can’t think of worse counsel than to tell someone to buy TIPS right now.
If FED lets inflation get out of control and tries to keep nominal rates low you are looking at negative returns. TIPs will be destroyed if the FED continues their taper and rates rise.
If you think you must play TIPS, at least do it in IVOL so you have a former Goldman trader monitoring it for you.
But in this climate, find a fund that gets you in a net put position against the 20 year. That is a much better hedge for your exposure than TIPS.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 7:29 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:09 am to KillTheGophers
Agreed. TIPS are trash right now.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:25 am to Fat Bastard
For someone looking to hide cash in a safe spot for a year or two I can't think of a better place.
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