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re: This could be something....Look beyond equities, Silver to be the next short squeeze
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
Plus, people are getting annoyed at the suppression of all that is not GME on WSB, and are going to silver out of rebellion.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:44 pm to Volvagia
SLV is the real GME keep hodlin kangz. We ridin.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:05 pm to T1gerNate
I took out a 6 month option on 300 oz of silver with a spot price of 30.
Mostly to avoid kicking myself if it does indeed surge.
Mostly to avoid kicking myself if it does indeed surge.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:18 pm to Volvagia
Wallstreetsilver grew from 1000 people on Saturday to over 11,000 now.
That's compared to 6+million on WSB. This is still in its infancy I say.
That's compared to 6+million on WSB. This is still in its infancy I say.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:11 am to rintintin
Ugly start for AG. Are we not ridin anymore?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:14 am to DawgCountry
We need MisterC to come in and tell us where he thinks the price is headed.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:40 am to DawgCountry
Well silver futures dropped 6% overnight thats why.
Was it someone here who mentioned the 1am frickery that goes on with silver futures? Or did I read that elsewhere?
Sure enough, look what happened at 1am
Was it someone here who mentioned the 1am frickery that goes on with silver futures? Or did I read that elsewhere?
Sure enough, look what happened at 1am
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:40 am to DawgCountry
Oooff. Understatement.
Gains from yesterday vanished.
Gains from yesterday vanished.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:43 am to rintintin
I dicked around with /SIL futures yesterday evening and lost about $80
I thought about going to bed leaving a long position open. Thank God I didn't.
I thought about going to bed leaving a long position open. Thank God I didn't.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:57 am to misterc
It's no secret JP Morgan acted illegally in the silver market. They admitted to it, avoided criminal prosecution, and were forced to pay a fine slightly below $1B.
They have changed their strategy since then, actually before then. They still short, but to drive the delivery price down, and then they take delivery.
Hedgers and institutions need to disclose commodity positions. Commitment of traders report. In arrears.
If one was going to "trade" silver, I'd suggest they copy the most talented criminal financial organization that deals in commodities, which is to say, copy the criminal (and other) actions of JP Morgan. And if one is going to acquire silver, given the 10 year positive return, I would also copy JP Morgan.
Or you could listen to Warren Buffet and avoid all of this. Although he lied about this as well, and buried his shareholder (of which I am one) losses on silver in a footnote an an annual report years ago.
All of this can be verified with empirical data. I own physical silver. I buy physical silver when I think a drop in price warrants it. As an example last time I purchased, I purchased well below $20. I do some conservative trading around it. Conservative means derivatives, not equities. These trades are as close to a hedge as most retail guys can get on commodities. Most retail guys trade, not hedge, and speculate, not invest. Not that if you have a balanced portfolio, speculation shouldn't be some small percentage of that total portfolio, which not only includes securities, but also real estate, commodities, alternative investments, etc
They have changed their strategy since then, actually before then. They still short, but to drive the delivery price down, and then they take delivery.
Hedgers and institutions need to disclose commodity positions. Commitment of traders report. In arrears.
If one was going to "trade" silver, I'd suggest they copy the most talented criminal financial organization that deals in commodities, which is to say, copy the criminal (and other) actions of JP Morgan. And if one is going to acquire silver, given the 10 year positive return, I would also copy JP Morgan.
Or you could listen to Warren Buffet and avoid all of this. Although he lied about this as well, and buried his shareholder (of which I am one) losses on silver in a footnote an an annual report years ago.
All of this can be verified with empirical data. I own physical silver. I buy physical silver when I think a drop in price warrants it. As an example last time I purchased, I purchased well below $20. I do some conservative trading around it. Conservative means derivatives, not equities. These trades are as close to a hedge as most retail guys can get on commodities. Most retail guys trade, not hedge, and speculate, not invest. Not that if you have a balanced portfolio, speculation shouldn't be some small percentage of that total portfolio, which not only includes securities, but also real estate, commodities, alternative investments, etc
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:01 am to Iowa Golfer
Golfer, you should stick around to help some of us Silver amateurs. You're a very knowledgeable poster here.
In your opinion, does this silver run have any real legs?
In your opinion, does this silver run have any real legs?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:13 am to Iowa Golfer
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Or you could listen to Warren Buffet and avoid all of this. Although he lied about this as well, and buried his shareholder (of which I am one) losses on silver in a footnote an an annual report years ago.
F that guy. He owns more silver than just about anyone.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:19 am to rintintin
Long term silver, at the correct entry point, is probably a prudent move in a conservative growth balanced portfolio. I can't define a specific date, and at this point, I'd struggle to advise anyone what a good entry point is given the present price level and economic environment. So silver is not unlike any other serious investment in these regards. There is really no reason to not have maybe 1%-5% of a balanced portfolio in precious metals if one is a long term conservative investor. I'd maintain that there are a lot of investors that brag about a balanced portfolio, and that balance in some alternate reality menas 100% stock equities. Common sense points out the fallacy in this. Notwithstanding that they will all tell you what their gains have been long term, which is a number that is not only easily skewed, but mostly useless until one actually needs the proceeds to retire on. It's why BRK.A is a great stock, up until maybe 5-10 years before retirement, and then for the vast, vast majority of people, it is a dangerous stock to hold at later stages in life.
Silver has industrial demand. They can't mine enough silver to meet this demand, but the demand is met through other means. It is very subject to price manipulation. But no one can predict if some new technology renders silver useless in industry, just like few could predict Polaroid would be rendered worthless due to the technology revolution.
Will silver make you rich? I started buying at $6 per oz, but I wouldn't say it has skyrocketed, and I should have sold half when it was at $50ish. A mistake I won't repeat. I'd say it is more a matter of hitting bunts, singles and the occasional double. Consistency almost always outperform occasional brilliance for most of us, and certtainly for me.
Silver has industrial demand. They can't mine enough silver to meet this demand, but the demand is met through other means. It is very subject to price manipulation. But no one can predict if some new technology renders silver useless in industry, just like few could predict Polaroid would be rendered worthless due to the technology revolution.
Will silver make you rich? I started buying at $6 per oz, but I wouldn't say it has skyrocketed, and I should have sold half when it was at $50ish. A mistake I won't repeat. I'd say it is more a matter of hitting bunts, singles and the occasional double. Consistency almost always outperform occasional brilliance for most of us, and certtainly for me.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:26 am to BobRoss
As I said in my post last night I expected profit taking. I was stopped out my levered long positions last night. I closed the puts yesterday and with the run from 25 when I started the thread last week I over doubled the money I risked. Now I'm still in my physical positions and plan to hold these tight right now as I'm long from the low teens. I'm looking at a couple of things, if we go below 25 this short term pop was just that. If we hold 27, I think there is a good chance we re-test 30 in a couple days based on the physical suck up. I'd like to see a good hold above 30 to confirm adding back with leverage. Normally I might start to creep back in on a dip around here but am exercising a little more caution than normal with all thats going on with the dollar, bonds and equities. Might look at some put spreads or out dated calls. I think caution is warranted here, unless I see something drastically changing today I'll look at the physical flows and premiums tonight before making any moves
Posted on 2/2/21 at 8:29 am to Iowa Golfer
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Iowa Golfer
Well, hello. Wondered where you’d been.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 9:13 am to rintintin
CME also raised required margins for investing silver while silver spiked. Curious timing to do so. Why make it harder to invest?
LINK
LINK
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In an attempt to quell the recent volatility experienced in the silver markets, the CME Group, whom operates the COMEX where silver futures trade, has raised margin requirements for futures contracts of the precious metal. This comes on the back of the metal rising from spot prices of $25.27 last Wednesday to as high as $30.13 today.
The recent volatility is the result of a number of traders, including Redditors, recently making efforts to cause what is referred to as the “silver squeeze” within the silver markets. Following the events that unfolded last week in relation to Gamestop’s equity, traders have been on the hunt for one of the most shorted markets in the world, which happens to be silver.
Following the rise in price however, the CME Group has now raised margin requirements on silver futures from $14,000 per contract to $16,500 per contract, a 17.8% increase. The increase will be placed in effect as of February 2, with the margin marking an eight year high for the metal.
Silver is currently down 1.85% to $28.49 as a result.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 12:36 pm to NYNolaguy1
Hopefully we see a fight back over $27 this evening.
Anything associated with WSB is getting beat down today something fierce today.
Anything associated with WSB is getting beat down today something fierce today.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:05 pm to rintintin
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Anything associated with WSB is getting beat down today something fierce today.
Yep, zero reason for SNDL to be off the way it is today. Volume over 1B each of the last two days. I guess the big boys are trying to make a statement, “stay in your place”.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:11 pm to High C
So here's a thought. With all of the retail bullion guys basically out of silver right now, what's to keep them from buying direct from comex at spot and demanding delivery ($26/oz as of now) then turning around and selling at market value to the masses (at $35/oz)? That's a 38% margin. Right now a lot of rounds (not even ASE or others) are selling at $35/oz, then others higher.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 1:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
Nothing. I’ve done it. You have to have a broker that allows it. 95 percent of brokers will not allow it. It’s also not free. There are costs involved so that eats some margin. You get 5 approximate 1000oz bars per contract. Once they leave the warehouse, to sell back to comex they have to be re certified .
Most people don’t want a 70 lb block of silver. If shite hits the fan and enough people wanted to group buy I’d be happy to orchestrate if there’s interest.
Most people don’t want a 70 lb block of silver. If shite hits the fan and enough people wanted to group buy I’d be happy to orchestrate if there’s interest.
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