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re: There are some major issues lurking in the US financial markets
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:40 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:40 pm to LSURussian
See, we can actually learn from each other. I didn't even know that Nasdaq was the only one that does their weightings strictly by market cap. That's interesting.
As far as AMZN and AAPL, I have absolutely nothing against them. My wife buys everything on AMZN. Both are great companies but they are cult stocks. I'm just mainly a contrarian so I tend to shy away from what everyone talks about ad nauseum.
As far as AMZN and AAPL, I have absolutely nothing against them. My wife buys everything on AMZN. Both are great companies but they are cult stocks. I'm just mainly a contrarian so I tend to shy away from what everyone talks about ad nauseum.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/11/19 at 11:47 pm to Hussss
quote:Okay....so when am I going to start learning something from you??
See, we can actually learn from each other.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 7:32 am to LSURussian
Did he just try to state the QQQ (which is the nasdaq 100) was holding back the S&P 500?? Lol
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:32 am to LSURussian
Everything that I’m reading shows that futures are pricing in no rate hikes in 2019 and you’re saying the Fed will raise three times? So who do you think is right in this case? You seem to be taking the Feds word at face value while simultaneously saying the market always knows more. I’m confused by this lol
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:23 am to wutangfinancial
quote:Would you mind linking to what you're reading that says that. I'd like to read it. Thanks.
Everything that I’m reading shows that futures are pricing in no rate hikes in 2019
quote:No, I said the article I read a couple of days ago said three times.
you’re saying the Fed will raise three times?
I also see other articles that say it will only be 2 rate hikes this year. Like this article here, January 10, 2019
And this one...
I've seen nothing that says the Fed is not going to raise rates at all in 2019, although I'd love for that to be the case.
quote:Why shouldn't I? They have raised rates EVERY TIME they said they were going to raise them for the last 6 rate hikes.
You seem to be taking the Feds word at face value while simultaneously saying the market always knows more.
I said, "I always maintain the "markets" always know more than I do." I didn't say the markets know more than the Fed.
quote:I hope this un-confuses you...
I’m confused by this
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:33 am to LSURussian
I haven't read any specific sources, but a lot of what i'm hearing as well is no expectations in a fed hike in 2019 as well. In fact I heard on bloomberg radio yesterday or the day before that some companies are starting to price in a fed lowering the rate next rather than increasing as their next move.
That can all change though obviously depending on future economic conditions.
That can all change though obviously depending on future economic conditions.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 11:34 am to LSURussian
I mean I typically don’t bother with links because people just attack the source but you can look up implied probabilities calculated off of FF monthly futures prices and they are indicating about 85% probability of no hikes in 2019 based on all available information.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 12:27 pm to wutangfinancial
I promise I won't attack your sources. You're a good poster who doesn't post crap.
quote:Okay I tried googling that and all I got was a bunch of websites showing how to calculate the probability. So I changed the wording for my search and then all I got were links to stories from last year which were predicting last year's rate hikes. Can you help me out?
you can look up implied probabilities calculated off of FF monthly futures prices
Posted on 1/12/19 at 12:50 pm to HYDRebs
quote:I sure hope that's true. But then it would mean the Fed seriously believes the economy is slowing significantly.
but a lot of what i'm hearing as well is no expectations in a fed hike in 2019 as well. In fact I heard on bloomberg radio yesterday or the day before that some companies are starting to price in a fed lowering the rate next rather than increasing as their next move.
Or, they believe inflation is not a threat at all.
The CPI deflationary report yesterday was solely from the drop in gasoline prices in December. Core prices were up with the 12 month core CPI up 2.2% year over year.
Will the Fed lower rates if the core CPI remains above their 2.0% inflation target?
LINK
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:54 pm to LSURussian
Exactly, what’s inflation gonna do if we see oil get back to $80/barrel in a hurry?
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:23 pm to LSURussian
To argue the links point I don’t think rental housing is going to continue to risesteady. Definitely seeing cracks in housing. Key point would be lennar homes earnings report that came out last week. If housing stays flat or falls tough to see inflation continue to be above the 2.0% inflation target even if oil rises back to $80/ barrels.
Personally I think the fed would benifit from pausing in 2019 to give them enough time to evaluate what their shrinking balance sheet and previous rate hikes has effectively done.
Personally I think the fed would benifit from pausing in 2019 to give them enough time to evaluate what their shrinking balance sheet and previous rate hikes has effectively done.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 2:55 pm to LSURussian
Regarding Amazon, here are the last four quarters of income before interest and tax:
3.74 billion
2.98 billion
1.93 billion
2.12 billion
Here is net income for the same time frame:
2.88 billion
2.53 billion
1.63 billion
1.86 billion
Fourth quarter income guidance from the company is 2.1 to 3.6 billion.
From CNBC:
Amazon expected $2.1 billion to $3.6 billion in fourth-quarter operating income, well below Street estimates of $3.9 billion.
If fourth quarter numbers end up showing that income is no longer increasing quarter over quarter, I would not be surprised to see amazon drop 30% or so. Remember, the market values this company at 802 billion.
What the hell do I know? Absolutely nothing. But I have a very hard time looking at the above numbers and thinking that those cash flows with reasonable growth metrics are worth 802 billion dollars.
On the flip side:
Amazon only did 3.03 billion in profit (net income) in 2017, and 2.37 billion in 2016. 2018 will end up being around 9.5 billion.
So, great. If Amazon shows a profit of 9.5 billion in 2018 and can guide on 25% earnings growth (~12 billion for 2019), that would still put Amazon at 67 times 2019 cash flows.
Here is a link I used for the numbers:
LINK
3.74 billion
2.98 billion
1.93 billion
2.12 billion
Here is net income for the same time frame:
2.88 billion
2.53 billion
1.63 billion
1.86 billion
Fourth quarter income guidance from the company is 2.1 to 3.6 billion.
From CNBC:
Amazon expected $2.1 billion to $3.6 billion in fourth-quarter operating income, well below Street estimates of $3.9 billion.
If fourth quarter numbers end up showing that income is no longer increasing quarter over quarter, I would not be surprised to see amazon drop 30% or so. Remember, the market values this company at 802 billion.
What the hell do I know? Absolutely nothing. But I have a very hard time looking at the above numbers and thinking that those cash flows with reasonable growth metrics are worth 802 billion dollars.
On the flip side:
Amazon only did 3.03 billion in profit (net income) in 2017, and 2.37 billion in 2016. 2018 will end up being around 9.5 billion.
So, great. If Amazon shows a profit of 9.5 billion in 2018 and can guide on 25% earnings growth (~12 billion for 2019), that would still put Amazon at 67 times 2019 cash flows.
Here is a link I used for the numbers:
LINK
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:06 pm to LSUtoOmaha
quote:
last four quarters of income before earnings and tax:
Here is net income for the same time frame:
Thanks for the information but I'm not sure why you directed that information to me. As I've posted previously, I don't own Amazon stock.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:19 pm to LSURussian
Thank you, I have edited to say "interest."
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:09 am to Hussss
quote:The SPX is at 2612 as I post this.
My bet is one more leg down to re-test 2350 before a big rally back up to 2600-2650 area. Look out below after that (my SPX 1800 call this Spring).
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:13 am to LSURussian
CME FF Rate Implied Probability
Hey, Russian. Here is what I was referencing last week. Right now the markets are pricing in a 2/3rd's probability of no rate hikes in 2019. Obviously this is all other things equal so it's flawed but I think it's an interesting.
Hey, Russian. Here is what I was referencing last week. Right now the markets are pricing in a 2/3rd's probability of no rate hikes in 2019. Obviously this is all other things equal so it's flawed but I think it's an interesting.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:22 am to wutangfinancial
Thanks. My googling never found a link to that chart.
If I'm reading the chart correctly it's also saying there's an almost 20% chance of a 25 bp hike in the FF rates this coming Summer (June-July), right?
If I'm reading the chart correctly it's also saying there's an almost 20% chance of a 25 bp hike in the FF rates this coming Summer (June-July), right?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:49 am to Hussss
Have you added to your short position now that SP has crossed 2600? Curious how the bears in the room see this. I expected the market to hang up around the 2600 level and then push through it, but that’s the bull in me.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:32 pm to CajunTiger92
my expectations is that it goes up till it doesnt. probably be some news event thst causes first domino to fall
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